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  1. No, the game cleary states that Kallig was human or pureblood if your inquisitor is either (namely "oddly pro-alien" assuming that the dark council was composed only by humans or pureblood by his time what equals lore check) or an alien if you pick any other species (what stretches the lore, as I pointed on my previous post). This.
  2. Yes, he can be of any race able to interbreed (human, rattataki, zabraks etc), the point is that some make more sense lore and story-wise than others if you want stick attached to the lore and the trick is that if you pick an alien as your inquisitor, the game retcons Kallig as an alien too, probably from your own species although that is vague. This also becomes a problem lore-wise. By the time that he, Kallig, lived, it would be extremely improbable that the high sith hierarchy would allow any non-human or non-pureblood sitting at the dark council no matter how powerful or skilled they were. They could have be great generals, commanders, trainers, oversees, but sith lords? At the point of becoming "pals" with Tulak Hord? That hard to swallow. The old sith empire by the time Kallig lived was much less a meritocracy (if that is possible) than the one we see on the old republic. Imagining Kallig as a twilek and becoming a sith lord by that period is almost impossible, but that is what the game makes you can presume if you pick a twilek or rattataki as your SI (base races provided with no unlock needed). Why? Because rattatakis are a newly found race so grampa Kallig couldnt be one of them even if you stretches the lore making him a lone ratta who left his homeworld seeking fame and fortune as he did in a slavery society, the sith empire ("hey, we can slave this guy's unknown planet filled with warriors for our army! what we are wating for!"). He could be a twilek and through generations of interbreeding there you are, a rattataki or a togruta, cathar, chiss you name it. If your inquisitor is an alien, Kallig was an alien and he should be member of an older race known by that time like twileks. That and the fact he should be able to interbreed to the point of his descendant become members of new races. Clone Wars seems to have stablished that humans and twileks can have kids although it seems vague, by watching the episode you can assume the human soldier foster fathered the kids from his twilek wife (later printed sources established the children as hybrids afaik). The whole interbreeded lineage regarding SI ancestry only brings unnecessary headache to the whole thing imho. Base line: if the game threated Kallig as a human or pureblood (as he probably was) no matter if you are alien or not, taking that in account that he was able to interbreed with other species (pb could use sith sorcery in some cases), the problem of any alien SI would be much diminished. BUT! The writters themselves stretches the lore a bit here because the SI plot is about a slave who crave his way to sith lordship and the sith empire is filled with alien slaves from pretty much all species around the galaxy. What is the criteria then to keep your character lore friendly if you want that? Just take a look of what the designers originally intented (humans and zabraks) or wich one would make sense lore-wise through unlocks or cartel market (miralukas). Then again, everyone is free to make their own stories, just neglecting what they want and having fun playing what they like wich is nice and fine. With legacy unlocks you can pick everything you want and make your own story to justify it. I think the whole point of the topic is try to figure wich race are more align with the now defunct expanded universe lore by the time the game took place.
  3. Heya, I said that humans and zabraks are most lore-friendly and miralukas made a good choice. But lets take a minute to examine your statement because we can dig some really useful info here. 1- When I mention "lore friendly" I mean all now defunct expanded universe wich old republic was part, not only the cold war on old republic or what the game allows us to pick as default race or not. Hold on that though. 2- That being said, humans, zabraks and purebloobs are the only aviable choices to make a more or less convince connection to Kallig, wich was a dark lord more than 1600 years ago. By that time, we had perhaps some very, very few aliens dark jedi and many humans and purebloods sith running through Korriban. Rattatakis were discovered about 25 years or so. They are mosly slaves when the game takes place, yes, but tracing a rattataki slave bloodline to a 1600 years old sith lord stretches a lot the plot. Again, it is up to players use their imagination here or not, they are free to imagine that Kallig's family (most likely purebloods or humans) ran to rattatak (an unknown planet at that time, again something that hurts the established lore) after his fall and interbreed like rabbits with rattatakis for centuries until one of them got cought by imperial forces, spotted as a force sensitive in any previously discussed circumstances (defending a group of countrymen from imperials, former criminal etc) and sent to Korriban. Purebloods have all problems discussed previously (they were a last time addition due fanbase outcry, status disconnected with the reality of the pbs in the sith empire etc). Sure, one can roll a SI pb, zap through the story and just forget about it. Now, even if you postulate that you are a SI rattataki and your greatgramma was a human or pb (lore friendly)who ran to rattatak, the game does you a great disfavor when postulated that kallig was an alien too (if you are an alien, matching his race with yours). This pretty much ruins the fun for all those lore-crazy like me because even if I could roll a ratta NOW, I would have to assume that Kallig was from the same race or from any race capable to interbreed with rattatkis even if the game justifies saying that by that time (there were only humand and purebloods on the dark council) Kallig was an exception (which also stretches the plot, soooo...). This is also a problem with ALL alien races (twileks, mirilians, cathars, togrutas etc) if you pick one as your SI but you can justify and keep it lore-friendly with 3 excepetions: - purebloods are threated like humans at this point of the plot (they get the same line as humans, stating that kallig was pro-alien not an alien himself); - zabraks are very lore friendly here, Kallig could be one with almost no problem. - Being and ancient race knowns to republic and sith empire, miralukas dont hurt the lore. 3- Let get back to that though now. NOT being a default choice in this game doesnt mean the race do not stand in the lore friendly area regarding the previous expanded universe, making them a valid choice for some classes. We have two famous miralukas who dwelled on the dark side being one them an inquisitor himself, Jerec (Dark Force II) and Visas Marr, from the very old republic era franchise. Same goes for rattataki as scoundrel (scum, aggresive bar fighter, gun hire, close range combat with kicks and knocks etc, leave the cyborg for gunslingers). Regarding miralukas as inquisitors, I will quote myself here from my previous post (page 11). So, according to the now defunct expanded universe, the dark side miraluka fits very well in the inquisitor role designed by bioware team, including their in game powers and even the class specc as sorceror-madness. Some more gathered info: - Old known race (like zabraks, different from rattatakis), culture focused on the Force. - Bitter past with sith empire (they destroyed a miraluka colony). Threated like alien trash (fits with the slave background at the prologue). >>>> While the light side sith warrior makes no sense at all, miralukas can provide a good choice for those willing to roll a light side inquisitor (anti-slavery, reformist etc). - Your trainer on Drommund Kaas outside Zash office is a miraluka inquisitor! - It is natural to miralukas deeply study the Force and dwells in its mysteries, juts like the inquisitor. - Fallen to dark side is a tabu on miraluka society, something avoided like crazy by its members but when it happens provides some formidable and perverted force users (and sith). Inquisitor are the ultimate perverted sith lords, dark force users akin to alchemy and mental damage (common trace on dark side miralukas). - Probably the only republic race that actually makes sense as inquisitor (discounting humans and cyborgs because). - Actually one of the best races in game that makes sense as inquisitor. - Kallig's mask has empty eye sockets, your imagination can run wild here and think his family interbreed mostly with miralukas and humans in all these 1600 years or so wich would also make a lot of sense since they were figitives. - At least two characters to serve as base model if you like that (Jerec and Visas) while humans are boring (yeah) and zabraks... well, I guess we are mostly tired of darth maul clones. I can say I am. That was my main problem rolling an assassin (I did rolled a human sorcerer and kept him, Palpatine you know). So yes, miralukas make perfect sense as inquisitors even more than zabraks since they were a very martial race and culture, disconnected from the sorcerer lore although passable as assassins but then again the plot is dense enough to makes you suspect if your zabrak is that smart and cunning especially if you keep remembering that darth maul (later retconned as dathomirian but with zabrak blood) failed over and over again to make grand plans (clone wars) and Koth was killed with a single blow from Palpatine, so... no thanks. Not for me. Yet miralukas as a SIs are a node to various sources from the previous UE. Cheers.
  4. This is just an option, not the - lets call it - game canon. The game canon, the story as devised by the writters, assumes you are kallig's descendant, the whole SI plot goes arround you being heir to a long but forgotten sith lineage wich was "stolen" from you and how you crave your way back to top with the help of your greatgrampa ghost. If you want play a "light side sith warrior" it is also possible. Doest it make sense? None at all. I know, there are people who will defend this to death, I am not interest in debating this here and I wouldnt like to deviate from the topic, just give a plain example of the options the game provides for those who are willing to taking big steps and make their own interpretation (it is an rpg after all). So yes, you refuted ingame that kallig was your ancestor wich is ok and valid. Some others like me would like to experience the story for what it is with at least one toon wich is also valid and ok. I rolled a rattataki btw but ended deleting him. Still considering a zabrak or a miraluka (already unlocked here). I think that Jerec from Dark Force was a very cool character. Pureblood stretches the lore too much but are the best option so far for an alien race beyond humans and zabraks imo: 1) The story states that Kallig's family ran away when he fell. That was centuries ago. Most people assume that his family went into slavery after his death and lived as slaves ever since but that doesnt seems to make sense. We are talking about more than 1000 years here and the game doesn't state when or if they were put into slavery. As someone stated a few posts above, you can even reply why you were imprisioned (defending your people, criminal etc). So we can assume that Kallig's family were not slaves but fugitives. 2) If you start as a pureblood, the game says you were servant of a fallen sith lord (not Kallig!) and was put in slavery after his fall. You can just go around and figure that your family eventualy reintegrate the sith empire and centuries later just forgot its own bloodline until your master was ruined and you unfolded your own story after being trained as inquisitor. As someone else posted somewhere, the SI and SW prologues are mirrowed. The SW is supposed to be a sith pureblood and Tremel choosed him because the other acolyte is not "pure" enough. The same goes with the inquisitor being considered a "low level" (slave, tainted) sith and Ffon being elected the favored from their oversee because he is a pureblood. So picking a pureblood also kinda ruins in a way this little plot flavor but they are great inquisitors since they represent the very essence of the dark side and its secrets. I'd say that humans and zabraks if you want keep it lore friendly. Miralukas are a good choice and I think they fit (did a post about it here). Not sure about mirilians. Of course, we are talking about dark side corruption here (or light sided siths if you want). Everything else goes from each player imagination. The only option that Bio really worked to justify was the pureblood because they were a last time addition on demand (fanbase outcried). Putting a pureblood as slave in the sith empire is something worth of noting.
  5. (SPOILERS AHEAD AND HELP NEEDED) Hi, lore-freak here. I have struggling with the SI for some weeks now. I did leveled a human till mid 15 or so but dropped it (I alread have other humans). To me, keeping my toons lore-friendly is part of my personal immersion so the "play what you like or want" doesnt works here. I have been browsing the forums here and all over internet collecting info about the most fitting race for SI because of that. So, let me present my case and then my questions. All help is appreciated. I know that the sith empire was racist (specist?) and that leave us with very few options for SI as he is a slave, name it humans, chiss, zabraks, purebloods, twileks and rattatakis. These are the races I know that can be found in the empire as free willing part of it (chiss) or slave fodder (rattatakis, twileks, zabraks, humans). - THE PUREBLOOD: I did some research about the SI because since the beginning his plot and class is surround by polemics. Bioware allowed people to roll purebloods due outcry demand. Noted. Now, I read some good points about a pb going into slavery as a viable possibility and bio even provided an extra line explaining why your character became a slave wich is nice and fine but still sounds streching to me seeing a pb running as a slave being mocked while there is another pb right there being well adressed by his oversee. CHISS seem out of question to me. Chiss were - afaik - the only alien race that freely joined the empire and are mostly respected (as an alien race could be in a racist system) besides force sensitivity is an even more rare trait among them. I rolled mine as an IA and I know there is a lot of juice (specific lines) related to this class and race combo. I am cool ignoring them as a force users. That leaves me with the ZABRAK. Ah, the zabrak. I tried, guys. I really did. I am a Darth Maul fan too (even if they retconned as dathomirian). But as much as I like to roll toons here and there inspired by my fave characters (not only here), rolling a zabrak assassin sounded like a cheap copycat while a sorcerer is even more strenching being zabs such fighting and though race. I have no problem rolling odd characters, I have a rattataki scoundrel planned (the bar fighter hired gun with good heart kinda of character). Again, i read somewhere that zabraks also would incur in the same timeline frame problem that rattatakis (by the time that Kallig lived, they were not a know race). I will skip twilkes due the ancestor issue. It is pretty clear to me that Kallig wasnt a twilek and even if we consider the interbreeding, i find the race a bit silly with those lekkus. I reach the point where - regarding imperial races - I am stuck with human (again, boring) and rattataki. My problem with the rattataki is, again, lore. There are many rattas slaves but they were discovered like 25 years ago? Maybe more I guess but they are a newly discovered race at that point. And the ancestor of the SI comes from a wealthy alien family (if you pick an alien race). Question: am I wrong to consider the rattataki so much out of scope? Kallig lived like 1500 years ago and there could be breeding from human and purebloods Of course, we have the CYBORG. A semi-valid option but as someone pointed who would pay for those fancy enhancements for a slave? My question here is: are they threated as humans or aliens here (SI plot)? Namely in the conversation with that guy where they explain about Kallig, will he state that he was an alien (because you are a cyborg) or use the same line from humans and purebloods (he was oddly pro-alien). REPUBLIC RACES? I am also considering republic races or one at least. Someone mentioned miralukas here. I think they could fit without being so much lore break (or none at all!). Fast check list: old race (?), Force sensitivity, some slaves in the empire, one of the trainers in Drommund Kas is a miraluka... and most interesting, Jerec, the INQUISITOR from dark forces was retconned as a miraluka. Ok, I know we are talking about 4000 years ahead from Old Republic but again, it is a nice reference. This also got my attention: "Those that fell to the dark side of the Force, however, took to the many ailments that came along with it. Their distortion of sight, in some cases, caused mass hysteria and visions, nightmares induced into reality, as hallucinations. Due to this, it was almost a natural fear for many to fall down the dark path. " Source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Miraluka Sounds a lot fitting in the inquisitor class design by bioware, specially the madness spec, doesnt it? So far, besided human, the miraluka is the one that makes more sense lore-wise to me even not being part of the imperial races. Though? Ideas? Thanks in advance and sorry by the long text.
  6. Edited 2: I found where reset the quest and that helped. Thanks a LOT!
  7. Heya, while doing Strike the Mountain Asunder, I missed King's Armory... I am a completionist no matter what, so I would like to know if I can drop this quest and get it again. The problem is that it is a part of a chain quest, we get it at the end of another quest. http://www.swtor-spy.com/quests/strike-the-mountain-asunder/6500/ Will I broke the chain or being stuck? Logic says I will need to restart the whole quest. Thoughs?
  8. Topic. I am a former beta/founder and I am back to the game. My guardian and main has cybertech almost maxed. Now lemme explain: back then, seems that some vehicles crafted using cyber were BoP, that means you could give or sell them. So I picked this skill hoping to crafted every vehicle aviable back then and then switch to artificer for more rping and personal preference reasons. Now I rolled another guardian so I can learn the game again and I am really torn about wich skill I should pick. I want to ask you if the vehicles created using cyber are still BoP or they changed that? I am planing retiring my first guardian anyway.
  9. Heya, I am a former beta/founder and after almost 2 years I am back to SWTOR. Well, I am also trying to finish the story with my JK and I am experiencing some problems with Kira... 2 years ago, I had some flirting with her and then when I reach a major turning point in the plot (or so I read way back), I though "heck, I will keep this jedi noble and true to the code" and from that moment on as far as I remember I started picking options where I say "hey, we are just friends" and so. So now, back to present. I noticed that Kira is still interested on my character... I just finished the plot where she went to nar shaddart to help some friends and after that she said she was doing some research and found they could be together and as always I picked the evasive answer. But I am really concerned about the state of this mess... I mean afaik you have some serious problems if you romance her. I know you can even marry and still be 100% LS but thats not what I want. So my question is: do I really screwed this character? If I want a clean finish to his story with no problem or romance with her, should I reroll? Important: - I never kissed her (I think I got 2 chances of doing that so far and skipped them both). He is my first toon, I like him very much that is why I am asking here. And feel free to spoil me if needed.
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