As someone working in theater world, I actually do know Chekov's gun. And your reasoning can't hold the line. Misdirecting is about the "not-that-important" Torian in the quest. But, showing him after a choice which can make him die before that extension is not misdirection. It tells something else. Because of this: And why not? Would it be a problem, if so? For the very same reason Kyle Katarn can become the new Dark Lord of the Sith, Jaden can kill Rosh, Revan can be a dark side girl, and so over: letting a choice (or an illusion of choice) for players and their headcanon, because they like that. As I told before, having an "official way" won't force you to follow it if you don't want to, but it states something for narrative needs. I guess you don't write encyclopedia, thus you don't care about what really happens. I do, and it's as important as practical. Always staying blur will cause big narrative issues and ridiculous twists. Once again, I'm not bothered if the Wrath is not the Commander and Vette has to be killed; this is not my game, but if official story tells the JK saved Torian, then okay, I keep that in mind while I'm wandering with my twi'lek. That's for this reason that thinking our story is the story is an error. Anyway, it seems we're in a dead end. Not sure if it worths to keep discuss about that. I find your vision wrong, you find mine wrong. As I wrote before, there were plenty of solutions then: make him wearing his helmet (a covered face keeps the doubt), put someone as Fett or whoever, even some random mando. The choice to put him on the poster means something, no matter his importance in the storyline (as they couldn't give him some, otherwise it would have cause big plotholes if Torian was dead). The artwork is a way to give a direction without being in trouble with codes and player choices. Then, it would be a game-changer, and we'd be back to the "neither one or the other". But right now, Vette is nowhere. This is interesting, if I understand well. Auto-choices and choices by default can be a good thing to see which direction is taking original storyline.

It does. And Revan was already male in Kotor 2, as Bastila is/was pregnant (and the father is obvious, nobody doubted that... I even think she says it, but I'm not sure). Your character is irrelevant, as the same way that my male Exile or my Rodian Jaden is irrelevant as well. Does it mean I can't enjoy them? Of course not. Nothing forbids you to play a female Revan, a Twi'lek Jaden or whatever. This is just not relevant canon-wise. Oh, and by "canon" I mean in the Legends timeline, nothing to do with Disney. To you. Thing is, our opinion about race/gender of PCs is irrelevant. In Kotor, Revan is male, wether we like it or not. Play him everytime as a girl if you want, nobody will judge you about that. Make fanfics or fanarts about F Revan, that's great, and people will enjoy it as well. But in the official content, that's a man. Just as the Exile is a woman named Meetra Surik. Period. We won't find any compromise. Seeing means survival (even more as he's not Force sensitive, so we can't pretend he's a ghost). When you go to an event, you expect to find the guests on the poster, otherwise this is false advertising (until official communication tells "there were some changes"). I hold the fact showing Torian is a way to tell he's alive, in the official story elements (no matter if devs maintained the fact he died, as it's complicated to bring him back in this situation: we saw him being neck-broken, he didn't fell in the mist or smth). "A few"? Over how many? You can't base your argumentation over exceptions. TOR always made promotional covers with characters you see during the game, the extensions, and/or trailers (which are a part of the game, as they're shown in). And now, it would be different? Come on. I'm talking about characters, you're answering with items. That's not the same thing. We talk about the presence of someone whom fate was unsettled until now. That's just logic he's alive as he's officially represented. His face, his hair, his scars. That's not a Mandalorian wearing his armor with a helmet; if it was, then the doubt could persist (we could imagine some Mando wanting to take his legacy/clan name and make it going on in the time). I can't get you could still believe devs and narrators asked the illustrator (or at least let them) to represent Torian just because "he looks cool". Sorry but it sounds so... childish: "Yay! I will put her, and him... and why not him? Oh, and what about her, and her! Waw, that's great!" That's not how it works. Any commercial will confirm: when you ask for an official promotional artwork/poster/trailer/whatever, everything is calculated, you don't put your hand in a bowl and pick a random paper with a name on it. We are not talking about a fan art. That choice was made on purpose, otherwise there were plenty of ways to make the artwork cool. If the devs/narrators wanted to stay ambiguous (as you say) about Torian's fate, do you really think they'd approve the picture as it is now? Please. They took a decision, and this decision is then canon because they are the creators. We can agree or disagree their decisions, the thing is still the same.

You see that as ambiguous, but it's not. It's actually as clear as a narrative content, for the reasons I metioned an will mention again. And how can you be sure about that? Did they post anything on official site or social media to tell "We found this cool"? This is interpretation of yours, which doesn't make much sense. If they make choices for anything, it has value by default unless there's comm about to precise "This shouldn't be considered as canon". Using an image in promotion AND loading screen is not an innocent act, as it gives a lot of visibility. Same thing for Darth Imperius. You can't be more wrong. Showing someone tells the character is alive, but the reverse doesn't: "This is not because we don't see them that they're not here." If Vette was on the picture, THEN it would have mean she survived and Torian died. Not showing any of them (or showing Vette on another picture) would have let the unsettled fate. I didn't mentioned the books, but ok. I go to my shelf, and any fictional book having a pictured cover is in the theme of the story, and characters represented are present. I don't mention books using pictures not especially made for them (photographs, historical documents or so), that's different. Whatever you say about Tron. But the characters you see on your poster ARE in the movie, right? We talk about characters, not actions. Actions on covers and posters are indeed to make it cool; it has to give the public wanting to watch those movies. But thing is, every character on those covers is in the movie, and that's the most important. You don't put someone who isn't in the story just for the sake of "coolness". Imagine Showdown was a non TOR-related theater movie, you see Torian on the poster, then you'll guess "Oh! That guy seems nice!" but he never appears. You'll ask "Why they draw him on it, then?" You'll never think "because that's cool-looking on the poster". If we see someone, we expect to find them. Just as for action, clothing is irrelevant (and that's actually not different that much from the costumes). Characters are in the movie: Luke, Leia, Vader, the droids, the X-Wings, the Death Star, all is in. You don't have some guy you never see in the product.

In the name of what an illustration, not used as a promotional picture only but as a loading screen, has less canon value than written content? The game team is taking the decisions about the artworks, thus they make the canon. If they really wanted to stay blur about Torian/Vette dilemna, I say it again but they could have put another Mandalorian instead. Fett or even an anon. And why not? Imo, that's very pretencious to believe our storyline is the storyline. I have no problem if tomorrow, they say "Okay, now Sith Warrior is a murderer Pureblood psycho who never romanced Vette and made babies with dark Jaesa". This is not my story, I'd prefer my way, and nevermind if it's not official; "right way" doesn't stop anyone to enjoy the game and the story they play. That's the point of RPG and games with choices. Tbh, I'd probably save Vette everytime because I prefer her. But it's okay if in the official line, she's dead on Odessen. My story is Infinities, that's all, and I'm fine with that. You can't compare a game which went out of the blue with no pre-existent lore, and which changed its direction during development with not much money (so not enough to remake box cover), and a 13 years old game with lot of stories, in a deeply developed universe in many other products (movies, TV, books, comics, games), showing characters already seen before and with unsettled fate. So this comparison is irrelevant.

Agree to disagree. An artwork comissioned by the editor (if not made by themselves), with for sure instructions about who shall be represented, then approved by this same editor (and probably a whole team)... this is not "just" artwork. They could have put any random Mando warrior instead of Torian, he's on it on purpose and for a reason. Imagine a book or a movie poster showing a character, but who's never seen in the story. This would be nonsense and useless. We don't talk about some good fanart shared on Twitter official account.

I didn't "feel the need" to justify the saving of Vette. I wanted to elaborate the fact that's a logical decision when you play a Wrath (especially male, but female can go as well). More than that, we agree about our motivations to save Vette and say the same things. However, the way some here are bi*ching about Vette seemed exaggerated. Telling she was useless or "forced to be liked", without even taking in consideration the Outlander/Commander asks for her on Iokath because she may have been the one being directly threatened by Vaylin's blade while you can't act in any way, I found this harsh. And that's why I asked that if you play someone else than the Wrath, is Vette still hostaged or is it another character? If so, then I'll agree that asking for her is out of topic. Otherwise, it makes sense. And I wanted to add that her fate seems definitive anyway since the picture of Showdown. That's one of the few hints that some PC's decisions have to go a certain way to be considered "canon". I actually still expected a possibility to save both, but in an "hidden" way. Something more subtile than "Save/Don't". Making a plea to a psycho "Don't hurt that person" will definitely make them kill their hostage. Telling "You can kill that person, I don't care", they will do for pleasure to kill anyway, and nevermind if that doesn't affect you. But focusing on the psycho and make them forget their hostage, by taunting them and push them to attack you, would have been a good solution, which another time would have make Valkorion wrong. And if the hostage did have to die anyway, well we could have say we tried. There were plenty of time and occasions to act during the kill: Force push/lightning Vaylin, blasting, crushing her fist... While making her kill the prisoner during the fight would have been more surprising and realistic (our character doesn't see it coming). I'm going out of topic, though, don't I?

Hello, here we go again. As a late player, I met that situation a few days ago. People warned me that those extensions will make comps disappear (getting away or killed). I played a male Wrath only until now. Who married Vette. So you can guess how it happened: Torian: "I have some trouble, please help!" Wrath: "Okay, we're on our way right now. Hold on pal, you'll get outta here." Vette: "I'm surroun..." Wrath: "GO FOR VETTE ALREADY!" While I understand everyone's point, I think this would be the more logical decision for a SW Commander. As all leaders, you have flaws and weaknesses. And Sith are about emotions, passions, and somehow selfishness. I may played an Empire-loyal character, LS, pragmatic and willing to help rather killing. But when it comes to his friends (or in this case, his love), the whole galaxy can burn, even by his hand if it shall. No leadership, no Alliance worth his LI. However, since Showdown on Ruhnuk is released and we can see Torian on the official picture, I guess now the "right" path is to sacrifice Vette. I'm sad about that, I love her for the same reasons other people in this topic told (sassy, a heart-warming persona...) and Torian was not more than a nobody to me, but we're not the storytellers. Anyway, I disagree two things people who didn't like or saved Vette told. "She is expendable because Theron, T7 or Lana can slice computers as well". Well yes, but as people already said, that kind of specs are rare comparing to riflemen. And I think Lana, as a Force and lightsaber user, can be a great ground agent. So if someone can replace her while she's in mission, that's a pro. On the other hand, we're far to lack soldiers. I get the point that Torian could be a "bridge" between Alliance and Mandos, and that's a valuable one, however you can't decently say Vette's no use for the Alliance. And when it comes to "How's Vette?" on Iokath, well... I played that part only as a SW, but doesn't the Outlander say that because Vaylin was threatening her on the Graveyard before the "crash"? Was Vette a scripted character, or did she get that situation for the sake of being the LI? Because if she drew the short straw no matter who she can be towards the PC, then the question makes more sense. Sorry if I made spellings or grammar errors, I'm not a native English speaker.