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Giving strikes distortion field would just turn them i to quad/cluster scouts with less mobility and less options
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Hmmm...i was really thinking about the t3 strike. Mainly....why many think it`s almoest good.
Maybe its the mobility?
Yes, only scout than can go places, not constantly be "going places"
Maybe its the ability to tank a lot of damage?
Both CP and Directional builds offer a lot of utility. From tanking Slug Shoots to eating seismics. A repair probe negates bleedthrough quite well. Actually. IT`S THE ONLY SHIP THAT CAN TANK DAMAGE. T2 bomber or t3 scout, cant do it. Drones can be destroyed and limit mobility. so That is a unique value on that ship.
What about killing power?
It`s mehish.
But it`s the best ship to look at guns without strong secondary missiles.
Quads...why are they better on a scout? systems? Speed?
TT/BO is riduculsy powerfull with having terrible guns...BUT LC on mobility T1 scout are still good.
Sure you can deliver some nice damage if you deliver a thermite first. Which is unlikely.
T3 is used often as an example of nagating ion railgun...ok...but so what now?you hide your shilds, powerdived, are ready to kick some ion spaming ***. you even got in to 5-6k range...you shoot...and a GS is running. So you are starting a chase. And you are chasing...and chasing...and chasing. and then you are peeled of target. If you were able to land a kill it depends on Gunships misplay.
Ok, so maybe the tankish ability will help vs scouts? pod jousters maybe? You start to joust...and podsters have TT/BO and or pods...more efective dmg in the same range. What about BLC scouts? AH ok i have you now! my weapons better in that 2,5 k range difference frame it`s my window of oportunity....errr where did the window went?
Basicly that 2,5k is closed in less then a 2 seconds. less if scouts uses booster. Strikes speed is 740+ m/s and scouts 780+ m/s so its its less then 1,5 second without boosters. With less efective accuracy evasion balance. Even if RNG blessed you can deliver 1401 dmg in that time frime. with only passive evasion scout evasion its 911. It`s not enough do any signifact damage.
My point is that ability to deliver its damage vs a scout or a gunship is lacking. Not the damage itself, but DAMAGE IN EFECTIVE TIME FRAME.
Now lets add some range, some damage, and some accuracy [2km, 10%, 8%]
Now that encouter takes almoest 3 seconds so the scout entering its "danger zone" ate on avrage 1850 dmg sure that number could be negated by disto`s time, TT evasion , RI.
So what we need is to incressed strike "kill window range/time" But looking at It it`s easy to over tune it.
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I agree on all points but not exactly on giving pikes rocket pods, I actually think they should get double damage rocket pods if they get them due to the nature of how they need to be deadcenter-ish to hit and how not very maneuverable the pike is.
Agreed, otherwise pods would be a trap for a t2 strike
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The Shield Power Converter lock break would make it a lot more viable for not-bombers, but that component is already a favorite on bombers. If you thought whacking them with a protorp once they got on a sat was hard before, just wait until that change goes in.
I wasent recomending adding a lock break but a lock immunity, but yeah i`m guilty of forgeting that t1 and t2 bombers have that. (Which is much stronger on t1)
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Those ideas are going into the right direction only few things(more likely number tweeks)
1. Reducing the engine initial cost and sustain is a good thing. But it`s not enough. With lower base speed and terible regen, the would still be Ion GS fodder. Increses the powerpool to the lvl that it can "tank" one-two ion shots(from half a pool)
2. 50 % is way to much 10-15% would still be a significant boost, but not going over the top. Their dmg should be on pair not superior to other clases:
Basicly Strikes have acces to realy good guns HLC/Quad/LLC so the damage is not a problem.
DAMAGE DELIVERY IS.
50% damage for rapids would be good, but it would overtune HLC and Quad(LLC propably as well)
As for missile`s, incressing their base speed to reduce reaction time and add/increase crticical chance would be a good start.
As for strikes, lets don`t forget about clasters, with 50% dmg boost they would hit for 1,2k and still being spamable
3. yes,yes,yes! Tune HLC to 8,5k, quads to 7k, LLC/Ion/rapids to 6k
With damage boost/engine boost/accuracy boost it would strongly increses their time in superior range to scouts and their ability to hit even evasive targets
4. 20% would be a bit to much 5-8% would be a better number to incres damage delivery.
All of those changes afects t1 strike which is good, the ability to hit something would strongly increse the quality of GSF first encouter.
5. Works for me.
6. Not needed change, even with engine effciency boost SG will have hard timestaying in really efective range. With accuracy/dmg bonus LLC would be a nice touch as a close quaters gun to synergise with ion. Also without systems slot they wouldent be as good a scout ones. Also it would be confusing for "fresher" pilots to have two main guns with diferent firing styles. Give T1 LLC in place of rapids instead!
7. Give pike retro thrusters AND powerdive
8. Give pike ID missile and thermite torps as for pods, i like the concept of pods being exclusive to t1 and t2 scouts, also even with improved boos T2 would still have a problem with keeping a terget in pod optimal range. Also bad turing on pike wouldent help with keeping 5-6 fast targets in range
9. Fully agreed
10. Propably a bit to much for a support tanky ship, but i`ll not defend that point strongly. HLC conc, HLC/Thermite are all fun concept but...i`d prefer it to be on pike where you could have HLC/Thermite/Concs.
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Ok...where should i start?
t1 strike can dream of being a t2 scout.Even a slower and lower dmg t2 scout
t2 strike has wet dreams of being a t3 GS t3 GS offers: better guns, better shilds, better missiles, better engines ...oh yeah...it can also have railgun.
t3 the only thing that ship is lacking is a good secondary HLC wouldent hurt as well. Otherwise i`s a mobile best heals platform with decent mobility. Almoest meta worthy
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I agree with all of that if that would be scaled via performance in match. In much better wat then now, couse lot of matches feel the pain of CQ points farmers
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Quote: Originally Posted by CommanderKiko View Post
Elitism has no place in GSF, it's hard enough to get queues to pop as is.
To be frank, elitism has no place anywhere.
Can we please cut the offtop and focus on the main topic? Strikefighters
Feel free to make a topic about Elitism in GSF in seperate window
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Oh I didnt mean to speak of those two ships like they were amazing ships.
Just that they seem to be better at doing what the SFs are intended to do. (Which is essentially to act as filler/support once you got enough of the specialists set up.)
Agreed 100% then
also the problem is that a serius game dosen`t need filler ships. couse the gap between specialised and filler is to big.
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I wouldn't say it's scouts>gunships>bombers exactly. I'd say it's more like scouts+gunships > bombers or bombers+gunships>scouts by themselves scouts>gunships but with bombers gunships+scouts>bombers for example.
I agree that my version was simplified, and we always have some other classes in the mix
And with 8 to 12 ship rooster its always a combo
And matches with all of the pilots knowing the mechanics are happeining extremly rearly.
But in the long run i agree with you , thats its combo vs combo, not ship type vs ship type.
I'd say if anything, what Strike Fighters could use is options.The tradeoff of having sort of average stats should be the ability to customize so that you're not just an inferior version of whatever specialized ship you're mimicing (support, attack, control, etc).
Ships like the Jurgoran or the Decimus currently seems to fill the roles otherwise intended for Strike Fighters tbh, so i'd look at them for inspiration. (They're both decent dogfighters where the Jurgoran has the ability to soften up attackers and finish off runners, while the Decimus has the mobility required to engage points offensively aswell as the toughness to provide decent defense afterwards.)
Sadly at this point in serius games a t3 GS is just a support Rail to T1`s ion+ slug
It`s the best "carry" team GS since its offering a "better then strike" fighting close range ability"
i would say what a T3 bomber does in a serius game but that ship was never spotted their(a bit of irony)
a T3 Bomber is a better strike then most strikes. And still it dosent make him a good ship.
He has an acctepable drone, incresed mobilty but lacks: close range danger ability of t1 bomber, regen ability and team buff of t2. He has powerdive, but it` usage moves him of satelite. Also 3 weak mines at best(or 3 useless mines) isent cutting it. , For good guns it has quads and heavies, and I agree that Heavy with range cap + conc incresses its threat range to scouts.bot nowhere need needed lvl to be considered a good ship.
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My pet peeve is the belief that people thing all ships should be equal. So unless your going to take gunships and bombers out of the game don't screw with gsf.
Nor GS or bombers are op. For now what we have meta works around
Scout>GS>bombers> scout meta
The problem is that strikes dont fit there, and in this form jack of all, is just not cutting it
If you hate bombers and or GS, there are a losts of people who will help you in learning how to to deal with them
And Removing GS and Bombers...well that would be like forcing strikes to bend over and drop thier pants and wait for being scouted.
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Frankly simply think Strikes should have their damage output across the board bumped up, make them something to be feared. You get on a scouts tail and pour damage into it, it usually can easily shrug it off and get away or back at you to out maneuver you easily. A strike should be something you need to avoid, it's a main striker of the game and should be dealing big damage, it doesn't have the range of gunships, so the extra damage potential is fine, as strikes have to work harder than scouts to close range gaps. Frankly right now Strikes just aren't scary, they are easy pickings at range to gunships, and in dogfights outclassed by scouts in ability to fight. Their main advantage is being tougher and more damage, but that has proven to be not good enough. So make them deal more damage, and if anything maybe even toughen them up slightly.
Outside of attempting more gimmick weapons like the strike only missiles they added, which few will use even, they need to focus on making Strikes good at what they are supposed to do, which means buffing their combat potential. The strike should be the main brawler in the game, so make them a bit more survivable and more dangerous.
Strikes dosent have "more damage" they have higher dmg in a very hard to keep, max range area.
Thier tank`ness helps a bit vs mines, but vs any evasion target, evasion armor is the best armor.
during a fight(asuming strike dosent get wasted in an instant-BIG assumption scout)
Strike has to "eat" damage vs dmg that is not recived by a scout due to evasion.
Basicly: scout vs strike = scout cna be unharmed, but a strike will always recive at least shild damage. Which means strike can go to another fight quickly while strike has to regain shild pool(not to mention bleedthrow)
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Love the bizzare amount in that semi-proposal. And is actually quite similiar to thuoghts.
What IF t3 GS had a plasma railgun from the start(definitly not changed now ,from SLUG to PLASMA)
And actually not a bad one, when you think about it.
Best mobility of all snipe ships, TT would nicely compansate for lack t4 accuracy tracking talent, crit on plasma would deliver nice dmg, and weak hull would make it very "killable" by other ships.
Propalby you would have to remove armor component not to have 33% base evasion GS.
You could stack evasion using RI and relying an accuracy buff from TT
damn...that would be some ship to fly!
I don`t know if it would meta worthy and ofc no missiles(system slot taken by TT/TF)
But for 100% it would be tons of fun flying.
Hmmm...Tensor with 6% evasion+ incresed mobility vs TT with 8% evasion,accuracy buff and crit chance and crit magnitude....TT for me. As always...mostly due to the uptime
I actually want this to be a real thing:D
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Did some math and testing in game:
It looks like base speed of protorps is at about 1250 m/s -
concs speed is at about 1665 m/s
i`t means that at max range vs a powerdiving it`s imposible to get hit by a protorp from max range.
Math
[Protorp flight time at 11500= 9.2 seconds]
Powerdive CD [10 sec]
Imunity[#3sec after activation 3 sec]
Lock on time [3,4]
So even locking just in the same split second as the safety bubble is off, PD is
7 sec cooldown remaining. and now the lock on 3,4 sec. missile is in the air. 3,6 sec on powerdive cooldown. Missile is broken after traveling 4500 meteres. and now we have a immunity for the next 3 sec, but it dosent really matter couse protorp cooldown is 11 seconds.
but ok, you might say that powerdive is the ultimate defensive cooldown.
how it works vs retro thrusters?
cooldown 14 sec
Just after a target used it
So, we are 11 seconds in cooldown, - 3.4= 7,6 seconds in cooldown, missile is broken after traveling 9500 m.(7,6 seconds) safaty(2k safe range and 1,6 sec remaining
now Barrer roll:
20 sec cooldown
again 3 sec safety bublle , 17 sec left on the clock.lock(3,4). 13.6 sec on the clock 9.2 seconds. a BR target is hit with 4.4 seconds remaining on CD
And i know that max range fired protons arent often, i know that you can add time by running
using booster.
So lets see how protorps work with 100% t4 talent:
Powerdive
7 sec-3,4 lock on and 4,6 flight time. 0,2 sec reaction time window
Retro
11 sec -3,4 lock on and 4,6 flight time. hit with 3 sec on protorp side
Barrer roll hit with 12 sec on protorp side
Hmmm....what ships can acces only BR as a good option, without any other missile break...T2 GS and T2 strike(current Kaiogan turn is a joke)
"Ok, so how about concs ? " you might ask
shorter range, faster missile it should be better right?
Again
flight time and 7700 range [4.6 seconds]
lock on: 2.6
Relaod 6 sec
PD
7-4.6.-2.6-2= -0,2 sec(reflex latency hit/miss)
Retro:
14-4.6.-2.6-2 = 6,8(safe hit)
Barrer roll
17-4.6.-2.6-2=9.8
(Btw this means that a target from max range using only BR can eat 2 concs unless it manually evades or breaks LOS)
with 100% speed upgrade:
protorps:
PD
7 sec -3.4-3.0= 0,6 hit
Retro
11 -3.4-3.0 4,6 hit
Barrer roll
17-6.4 = 10.6
BR ship are still eating only one protrp, due to 11 sec cooldown
Other ships are "hitable"
For concs with 2x speed
vs powerdive
7- 2,4-2,6 = 2 sec hit
vs retro
11-2,4-2,6= 6 sec hit
vs BR
17-2,4-2,6= 12 sec hit
so in theory thay can eat 2 max range concs with one second remaining
So what about disto?
correctly used disto should be used second, lets assue it`s used 3 times per minute(Sec zero, sec 20, sec 40. Lets also assume that powerdive is used in the mid, so 6 times powerdive(18 sec immunity and 6 m breakes and3 disto m-breaks
A protorp can be fired at every 14,4 seconds which means for protrps per minute. PD+ disto can avoid every one
Retro and disto can at max provide 8 m breaks per minute
Barrer roll and disto can provide 6.
All of the main manovers still makes it hard to land a proton on a ship with 2x missile break, extra speed didnt changed much here
How about concs now?
almoest 7 shots per minute
BR disto target would get hit
Retro target is more or less safe
PD target is completly safe
lets look at optimal missile open spots on the most on a PD disto scout for just 30 sec:
PD
Sec 1 - powerdive used
Sec 4 - immunity buble ends
sec 4- disto activated
sec 10- PD ready to use(disto CD 16 sec)
sec 13- immunity bubble ends(disto CD 11 sec, PD cooldown 7 sec)
Sec 20- powerdive active (disto CD 4sec)
Sec 23- PD imunity ends(disto CD 1 sec, PD cooldown 7 sec)
Sec 24 - Disto used(PD cooldown 6 seconds)
Sec 30 - PD activated (Disto cooldown 14 seconds)
I know it`s the most missile resiliant t2 scout build but still at best you have a 7 second gap between abilites iwth my proposal you would actually be able to lock and hit the even that build with a torp from max range. If you would play it well. ther also shouldent be a problem with landing concs, couse it would be harder to dogde them.
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If the whole enemy team is focusing only one target (you), that means there are 7 to 11 other ships on your team which should be swatting the very single-minded enemy team down like flies.
Troue. But imp best premades on prego are good enough to have one target focused and still kill the other players in the meantime.
I meant that facing a pilot with Tommysub`s reputation is much more fun that flying on his side.
Espacialy that most prego pilots are in love with t2 scouts. So it`s a thrill to chalange the "top dog around"
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You have some good sugestions, i dont agree with all of them, but all of the are nice(I especialy liked different turrets type)
As for converters, in my opinion they are very interesting.
Weapon power converter
Sacrificing both defence and mobility for questionable profit of extra blaster energy pool is not a good trade off. IF it activated a flat 7% buff to primary wapon dmg for 5 seconds it would be something(with a trade of incresed cooldown, up to 12 seconds)
Shild power converter
I was playing with that component on a charged plating t2 pike, and i have to say it was much better then i thought(Not good, but better)
It gives really a powerfull shild arc: 2970, stacked with 94% dmg reduction it was...acceptable on sats. And chasing a bomber on the sat spaming clusters and LLC shots was fun. Getting to the sat was a pain, due to ion flying around and zero defence vs incoming protorps. and this ship is not fast or manoverlable enough to work well in the open. What this component needs is a 3 second lock immunity(same as engine lock-breakers have)(also at a price of incressed cooldown to 12 seconds)
As for those poor missiles. I`m not a fan of messing with Disto, i think its a valid component and great gunship couter.
What i would want to see is incresing their "rewardness of landing" i think that a massive boost to speed for all of them (except clusters) would be a good 1st step,
Sadly even with advanced tooltips i havent found missile speed. So no math to support my theory.
We know that Protons arent afected much by 100% extra speed upgrade , if their flight time would be incressed to 300% total the reaction time would be lower. Also, shorter flight time would strongly afect ther "land propablity" i also ihink that they need higher critical chance at about 15%
So, by type:
Protorps would have 25% critical chance(going up from 10%) and max 300% speed
Increse base speed by 100% and have left talant boost it by 50% (instead of current 100%)
Thermites
would recive a 15% crit chance(from zero, wthout TT), both to "on impact dmg and to DOT, tic`s and max 300% speed
concussions
They would recive the abilty to Crit a target for 1659 with 464 dmg going to hull(729 with bypass)
and 100% speed boost as base.
Clusters and interdiction are in good place atm
for utility missiles i think you nailed it;)
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This concept is great.
Make a race ship from one of the existing with pre-defind components, add some targets to score points and it would be an optimal tool to familiarise new pilots with the "feel", controls and game mechanics(OFC except actuall dogfighting, but we cant have all, right?)
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What pisses me off is that you know better essentially. You know that when I say it makes it bearable it doesn't mean that I'm not dying. You were around for when they broke the second missile break on dfield and you know how utterly unplayable it was if you didn't have a second missile break in serious matches. Obviously in the farm matches it's not a problem. I figure you need some reminding of how frustrating it can be. If you wanna know how it feels to have non-stop cluster spam as well as solid gunships attacking you, spend some time and get known on progenitor. That server's imp side is ruthless for solo players. Though I find the good players tend to fly together a little too much and only really Etrii switches for balance. Though I could be wrong and I mean no offense in this to majority of progenitor pilots. Except Rosy, I'll offend (her?) as much as possible.
As for not using it solely defensively a lot of the time defense time = offense time for me, killing a gunship is as much a defensive exercise as it is an offensive exercise for example.
As for it providing "safe time" I'd really say it doesn't due to gunships with wingman. In a perfect 1 v 1 situation it is still not even safe time. The people who treat it as safe time are generally the people who die the easiest. I'm going to use an example from recently that I don't think would mind if i mention it. I was fighting Drako when I had my broken hand and he thought he was safe because of the combination of my hand being broken and the dfield+TT he didn't put up RI though I don't believe, he flew very straight as a result of underestimating it and ate way too many quads/pods too the face and got super surprised by it. Usually he doesn't use it as safe-time from what I've seen but it was just that one time that caught both of our attention. I was in voice with him at the time and he was just saying "What?"
In farm matches a rapid laser t3 scout with shild projector is a deadly ship. Balancing around them leads only to one solution: Nerf good pilots, not nerf good ships.
Current meta is very fun, deep and intesting, without DF field you will not hurt gunships(well a bit) couse they use mostly Disto vs other gunships, and relly on a second missile break mostly while on the run. With less evasion on scouts, strikes would get shread.
Removing it will make serius dent in t1 scout play style as well, and no one will say that t1 scout is overpowered. so it would leave only a t3 scout with
Weaker disto, leads to GS safaty and strikes don`t have the presure ability, To long TTK, not enough base speed, and engine pool, not enough evasion to dodge resnable amout of rails.
Nerfing disto would lead to sniper fest.
"One rail to rule them all!"
Eliminating scouts from the equasion would also allow bypass as a co-pilot. 44%shild piercing. Thats 775 dmg per fully charged slug (with extra 10% upgrade). Whith means any GS could 2 shoot any strike WITHOUT USING ION
As for Prego, most of what you saw doe to the fact that a lot of people wanted to have a shot at you:)
Almoest all good pilots have mastered toones both factions. As for a bit to much premades flying...well that might be right.
Quick sum up:
Hurting disto buffs gunships and leaves strike as easy snipe prey. Do that and i will rule prego as Father and son!(Looks at his quarell with a colorful properell hat)
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Nerfing scouts would only lead to one thing. A big buff to gunships, and a medium buff seekers and missile drones.
Second missile m-break is esential to dodge a mine/missile on the way the entrenched GS
Removing it would buff bombers as well(thou it would buff not so good seekers a missile drone)
And even with all proposed bufffs Strike`s don`t have the base speed in chasis to be efective in GS hunting. Basicly a love tap from ion with slow talent makes strike`s almoest as dead in the watter as energy drain.
We need to muff strikes to match good classes, to have 4 good classes.
Not nerf everything to 4 bad classes
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The problem of acclimating new pilots to the game is an important one to address, just not here, as it's largely unrelated to strike things. Start a new thread about new pilot experience or look up one of the existing ones. There's lots to be said on the issue, lots that has been said, many efforts made by many people to provide training materials (like Drakolich's videos, the stickied Stasiepedia in this very forum). I understand your frustration, but conflating new pilot issues with strike fighter balance isn't really productive.
Despon
^ This
New plyers now jack crap about balance or even what the frq is going on. I`m not getting into "kill them as fast/keep it easy" discussion but a new pilot on stock shipeven with best effort can`t do jack crap
Why do aces perform well in sotcks?couse they understand the limitations of their own ship and know the weaknesess of other classes.Also new pilots don`t have "home turf advantege" couse mostly they are to green to even know that GSF chat exisists.
Buffing strike chassis would help that problem but it will not solve it. And to be sure,I`m notevensure if it is problem that should be solved
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Thanks again Alax for adresing the community, you coused some panties hiting the floor with mach 7...and not only ladies ones
So few of us sat down and we started to think about strikes(we liked it, so we did it again)
First, our think tank loves strikes, but we fly other ships in hard games, no suprise there right?
So here is our little proposal(keep in mind that we were sticking to KISS rule, so no new comoponets)(But all gods now that T2 needs some)
Chasis:
1)10% Critical chance flat bonus to all lasers
2)15% Critical chance flat bonus to missiles
3)-2,5 sec shild regen deley
4)25% Engine power pool increse
5)15% Incressed engine regen
6)15% Incresed range of all lasers
Componets
(We all now that RFL need the boost, or pack their bags on home, and even crit and range boosts will not help them)
1)Kaiogan turn cooldown reduced to 12 seconds
2))Kaiogan turn cost reduced to 1/2 cost of retro thrusters
I will adress all points in a second but to avoid flying tomatos i`d like to give my reasoning.
- K-turn is horrible, strictly defensive engine manouver, with only one thing to offer staying on sat Sats B(mesas) and C (Lost)
-all live and dead gods know that t2 Strike needs any defensive manouver
-All other ships that can use K-turn have better options(powerdive, retro, and for scouts barrer roll, which does not work good for strikes)
Ad 1. Critical chance flat bonus to all lasers
The discussion was harsh between flat dmg boost and crit boost, but in the end crit won.
-Heavy lasers on strike would get 10-13% which joined with CF would give a nice 46-49% buff with shild penetration. With incresed range avery interesting choice
-Quad lasers would have 18% crit chance , that would make the significantly stronger then t2 scouts ones and Laser Canons
-T3 strike might consider an over 60% crit build but still it wouldent change the fact that rep probes are to good to swap them out
-T2 LLC using incresed range and crit bonus would be a viable choice with more punishing power
Ad 2. 15% Critical chance flat bonus to missiles
Missiles are crap, and 15 % dosent change much...So KISS rule
-It would give protons 25% crit chance, a bit more rewarding vs bombers and insta kill ona scout/gs/strike that missplayed and allwed himself to be hit by a torp
-15 Ctit on clusters would put them in similar league that TT bosted clusters of scout. No crit magnitude, but 100% uptime
-Thermites would get a crit and every DOT tick as well
-Concs would be able to hit for 1700 with 20% of dmg going to hull(340 dmg ,1/3 of scouts hull points)
-Emp and ion will still be crap
I know it`s not a perfect solution but i gives a chance to have rewarding missile hits. I think we all agree that i massive chnages missiles need be easier to land
Ad 3. )-2,5 sec shild regen deley
It`s a small defensive buff, it will not help very much vs Burst dmg (BLC and Slug) and it wont help vs Quads/pods, but with regen rate lower then BLC rate:
-it restores 90 shilds between BLC shots,
-It adds a bit of surviviablity in close qouters fights
-It decresess (waiting till shilds are good-ish time) before going back to combat
-If you will be able to survive ion hit you get back to fight faster
-you can clear a minefield lossing some ships and return to fight in a decent shape faster
-it buffs strike fighters cp builds
Ad 4. 15% incresed range
-Heavy lasers would reach almoest 8k range a bit over half of GS range andvantage
-Quads on strike would get 6610 advantage and still have 18% crit chance
-LLC and ION would be in 6,5+ k range still able to deliver punishment outside of even pod range
-Incressed range means that GS`s safe zone is at least 2k smaller now
-Increesed range means that strike dont have spend so much time "going places"
-Incressed range means that a strike can pop mines form a safe distance
-15% incressed range means that he can ,with no problem kill missile drones(i know that they are not the problem)
-They can take out out rail drones with only 1,1 k in its range, so they prolly wont be able to shoot even once(no need of burning enigine to get much closer)
-Mid range combat for strike vs scout jumps from 6-4 km to 8-4k
Ad 5.
Strikes have the same power pool as scouts but lower base speed, scouts still will be mobilty kings(especialy with booster overcharge(
. But strikes problem is that he is always "going places" and ion hit or GS chase make him "dead in the water" far to oftern.
Bigger power pool would alow:
-with proper energy menagment tank an ion hit
-get to sats faster
-go places and still have some fight in them
-have a chance to run if the fight is going badly
Ad 6.
Strikes regen rate sgould be better. pouses to regain breath afact both thier utility and thier dps
all of the ad 5 points +
-If you manage to tank ion and LOS get out of range you will be abl to participate faster
COMPONENT
Ad 1 and 2
In my personal opinion t2 strike needs an idvidual apraoch but in keeping it simple that could be a good start:
Kaiogan turn offers only:
-Defensive m-break
-Staying power on satelite B mesas and C(lost)
with buffs to it other monovers would still be a better option(thou it could be interesting for t3 scout)
-Lowering the engine cost and cooldown to 12 seconds gives a valid missile break for a T2 strike
- It incresess it`s "staving power" on satelites
-alows a faster" from the top and from the bottom" atacks on bombers on nodes
-If hit by ion at max range(with good engine menagment) it can easily out range the shooter
Regards
Etrii
(And some other pilots from pregonitor, hwich i`ll not list, to not be percived as a cheap trick to boost my opinion)
I know the quing yourself might be considered e-pening
but all of my sugestion afcct stock strikes.
Would it make them compatible vs good pilots?NO couse the skill gap
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Ships that kill "op scouts:" on regular bases
t1 GS(if they lay an ion hit first)
t3 GS if they mange to dmg scout at least a bit with rail
t1 bombers with seismic
t2 bombers with rali/seekers
yeah...scouts are so op...
Most good pilots agree on fact tthat strikes (t1 and t3) arent bad. They are just not good enough
IF you can aress the matter as simple a buffing one class =/= nerfing others i`lltell you what would happen:
GS would kill you all, couse even Drako in imperium cant chalange a decent GS, who has and knows how to use ion
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In a dogfighght
t1 scout is better the strikes
t2 scout is better then strike
t3 bomber is better the strike
2x missile troll build t3 GS is better then strikes
2x missile t2 GS is still a bit better then strikes
So...how come are
t2 scouts to blame?
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As a member of that guild when i`m logging into to Bastion to get late night pops, andi`m in the mood to ignore killer latency...You are teaching wrong things to wrong ships.
I`m having problems with thinking serius about a pilot who sad <semi qute>?
"My bomber didnt work, i`ll go pike" And it was during a "super serius night"
As for strikes i stand y ground.: Crit chance, engine pool, engine regen and shild regen + buff for Kaiogan
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Hmmm....I agree and dis-agree. At the same time.
Play as you like but don`t be an arse. If you want to always go all in,Like Verains version. Sure go for it.
If you are feeling generous, have time to spare to farm medalas or fly a Lolz ship do so.
But...Don`t whine about ohers spending their time in game as they want to. Some of us have a limited play time and THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THEIR TIME TO HAVE MAXIMUM FUN
But don`t use "it shapes better pilots, argument". It dosent work on most. On most pilots it works: like ah damn to hell wth that game. And those of us, who were stubbern enough to pass the learning curve...well we would do it anyway.
You know what is better after a match vs food ships? Pick up one-two names that died lest or you saw them TRYING, relog talk to them and HELP THEM GET BETTER. Tell them about GSF channel, Stasiepedia, Drak`s vids, or just help them with crew setting(stock one is crap)
I can tell you, getting 3 - caped, blown out on spawn by 3 seismic in the face. Is a terrible experience. But`s its IN THE GAME!. You win strongly, you have fair fights, and you loose as well
Every top pilot had a match when they were hounted like dogs, couse their team was crap and loosed badly.We know how it feels. Even tommysub had at least one match like this, and I had a pleasure to be on the hunting side. And he flies the most survivable meta ship in the game and is propably the best scout on the market.
Base line:
Have fun, Help people, and dont be a an arse about winning or loosing.