ahh excellent, that explains that. Thanks so much for the response!

Please forgive me if this is documented somewhere or if I'm just overlooking this, but I'm trying to join my friends and their guild, I found their guild, am on their site, can view their rosters, etc... but I don't see anywhere specifically to apply. A friend seemed to recall filling out a form rather than just posting something on the guild's public forums, but I dont see anything of the sort. Is there something/somewhere specific i need to go to "apply"? Please help. Thanks!