i would ask the mods to close this thread, as the problem in it (my lack of knowledge in stealther class) have been solve already, and people seen to be incapable of reading that it have been solved and are instead going on throwing wood into a fire already death

well, u just complete destroyed my case with this, i was completly unaware this would be the cause of stealth-cap happening i beleive u didnt understood what i tried to explain, i'm not a english speaker and perhabs my lack of knowlegde in the language may difficult to actually get what i was trying to say, i do not mind stealthers being able to stealth, i myself envy them not because of being able to do so but be capable to use it correctly, i guess if i were to run an operative to say a random stealther class i would be one of those noobs who just goes around trying to ambush someone and completely failing at it yes you speak as i am raging againts the stealther classes which im not, if u read my (sorry for the lenght) initial post, i was able to not be stealth-capped myself, i'm neither complaining about the fact stealthers are able to sap and cap this is a form of fighting in someway to get the node again, i'm sorry for the disaster my posts are, writing in english is not so easy as i came to expect OKAY i will try to explain again what i was trying to explain from the start, my problem with stealthers is not their ability to sap a guard and cap it, neither take the advantage of fighting to cap the node undisturbed, my problem was with "stealth-cap" as i though (i have never played a stealther myself and this pretty much proves my knowlegde of the class is even smaller than i though) what i meant with stealth-cap is capping while still being invisible taking advantage of this ability to cap unotice without the guard being able to do much of anithing if he cant see him at all. Sangrar i think you simply solved my confusion in the matter, i stand corrected. a apologies to everyone in the forums who have had to dealt with my lack of knowledge about stealther classes, i know very well how to kill them when i fight them but i have no idea whatsoever how they actually work, this surely proves it for the people who did gave their ideas in their post (even if some were rather rude in their ways) thank u for participating. for those who just gave random rude and unnecessary commentaries, i hope you learn sometimes, not being a troll for a lack of a better word, and instead explaining the noob (me) why is he wrong gives better results at the end

using their stealth to ambush the guy who is guarding, killing him fast as i know a good assasin can, thats using their abilities, just stealthing to take the node while the guardian is trying to fend of another guy is plainly wrong, if a non stealther class OR a stealther not stealthed class goes and cap it while he is fighting then yes, he totally deserve it of course calling and defending the node is what a guard should do, but stealth-capping give an unfair advantage as well as promotes toxicity, i'm quite sure that stealthier can perfectly instead of stealth-cap while the guard and his teammate fight, he can go and open in the guard and butcher him, do some real pvp by fighting and kicking the guard butt insulting without context whatsoever, i understand the idea is not appealing to u, but i would preffer reasons instead of hollow commentaries like this the number of seconds i gave myself was just a random number, since i'm not an actual expert in stealth classes i have never used any of them so i cant say for myself how long the lockout should it be again, just a random insulting commentary that helps nothing in the discussion, i understand many people will not like my idea, that's why i never say "is something many ask for" but something "I" think, if u dislike my idea, give me a reason why instead of this, in a good manner and we can start a discussion not sure if is my lack of english or something else that does not make me understand what have your comment to do with the conversation i started, i apologies for it and i hope i dont insult u by not understanding i believe myself outplaying would be for example, me holding a node alone, i get stun from stealth, then an operative appears an stabs me from behind, i try to fight him but he is way better player than me, finishing me off in a matter of seconds before i can do anithing. in this situation , i was completely outplayed the guy ambushed me using his natural advantages of stealth and kicked my butt. instead in this other sitational example, i am defending a pylon, i'm the only guard when an enemy jugger shows and charges on me, we start fighting and as we fight an operative appears in my pylon and starts to try to cap it from behind me as i try to fight the jugger, if the operative had been a sorc or another jugger for example, i could have seen it coming to cap as i fight, but the operative can just move from the back and cap to then leave, as it was not there to begin with, yes he was able to cap but he could have also been perfectly able to help the jugger finish me off and cap as well, doing actual pvp i beleive this change would help for different reasons: 1) toxicity againts stealther classes would be lower: i have seen some of the operatives and assassin who i know and i'm friend with get a lot of rage from enemy teams, and other players because of having done this to them, no one likes to loss a fight without actually fighting it, making the stealther to have to fight the guard and kill it would make this toxicity die with the guard =P 2)the population of "trolls" using stealther class would perish: i'm sure many of us have had that assasin or operative in our team who only camps a node and does nothing to actually help in the match, making this change would make this people stop doing this, they would probably still do it but at least they would fight for that node, making the guard call more to help, leaving pressure in the other nodes and actually helping in the match 3) would improve stealthers reputation: lets admit it, anyone who does not play a stealther class (or at least most of the ones i know) want them nerfed to the ground, why? being a stealther, just plainly and simple, i'm not saying they are right because they are not, but this would actually at least take out some of the hate againts fighting an stealther class 4)create more pvp fights in wzs: with this change also stealther would be oblige to NOT ignore fights, they would need to do so in order to win that node, not just wait for the perfect moment to cap it but wait for the perfect moment to STAB US at the end this is only my personal opinion i beleive it would be a positive change but i understand not everyone is of my same opinion

EDIT: my problem have been solved, it was nothing more than my own lack of knowledge in how stealth classes (operative/scoundrel and shadow/assasin) worked that made me believe stealth classes were capable of capping pylons/nodes while still being invisible, people already have showed me and explained me how i was wrong and why and now i know of my mistake, thank you for everyone participation and information in the matter

just yesterday, we were playing wzs and in this Voidstar match i found this Vienna operative from the catfish guild, she was a lethality operative throwing dots at seriusly everyone in our team, one of my friends in the wz was a healer and she was overun by everyone in our team being getting hit constandly by the dots of that Vienna, also each time i was able to track her down i would just force charge to her, and she would use evasion and the probe that shields nullifying most of my burst, if i was able to actually burst her she would just roll and INSTAHEAL i mean the spec even makes that after she roll she can use a heal instantly, and to top it all while she was running away from me she was still throwing granades and darts not only at me but at everyone close still doting us all and doing crazy damage to all of us, and she was not even geared, after the match i tracked her in fleet and not even a single pvp gear, how is that possible for her to still do that ammount of damage by just doting and not to one person but to a whole team at the end of the match even as we won because her team was not able to break the last door in voidstar she was top damage with more than 1m + damage and 0 deaths as well as second place in medals while the second top damage was just 700k+ who was one of the friends in my group who have full obroan and augments as well this is just stupid, lethality operatives need to be nerfed as hard as councealments are being nerfed, is just stupid how noobs like this Vienna can just go and play a spec so stupidly overpower and still call thenself proper pvpers:rolleyes: