The story mode version is the canon version; what's not canon is the droid being there. Revan is obviously above them, but Valkorion stats the PCs are more powerful, potentially, than all Malgus or any other Sith faced so far. Arcann isn't miles above the players either. He's not an "Ops boss," by any stretch of the imagination just because he won. And the Dread Masters use the combined and amped power of six people. Yeah, they're going to be above most others on their own.

Well except for the fact that we clearly have hibernation sickness and that we clearly are not able to see, and then not able to see well, when we first wake up, I see what you mean, OP.

The codex entries for any past companion that comes back.

The codex says they all went missing shortly after Zakuul invaded. Room to say they aren't, but enough certainty to say they are just about dead.

Oh look, another one. Anyway, the only point leveling ever had was to give you a baseline of stats and skills. It was never there to make you feel powerful or show the progression of your character. That's why the mobs continue to get stronger. That's why Korriban's K'lor'slug population magically turned level 55 and random soldiers have varying levels across planets. Because level doesn't actually exist and there simply for gameplay purposes. Don't know where the idea that an RPG is supposed to make you feel powerful comes from whatsoever.

Post it anyway. I want to see it and the response. I personally haven't seen anything from most of you guys in a while.

You don't need to know a specific ritual to defend against it. To the point, why is Nox, instead of learning this ritual, going out to find more ghosts? The answer is, Nox was not powerful enough at the time of Act II and thus sought to augment their power. It's absolute nonsense to think s/he lost because she didn't know the ritual Thanaton used. That's not what it would mean at all. The fact that one can deepen their knowledge and gain more power is one thing. The idea that because Thanaton has been doing this for so much longer that that is why he has the edge is false. It was not his experience, but him being more powerful. Again I'd like to sight that almost every Sith in this game has been doing this since the PCs were infants. That has never stopped them from being cut down like grass before. Experience can only take you so far. That is not an argument. The writer may have wanted the Hero to win, but "teh plotz" don't actually exist in universe. Thus a logical argument must exist to justify it. The plot demands Anakin Skywalker be one of the most powerful Jedi of all time. The plot is not why Anakin Skywalker is one of the most powerful Jedi of all time. Compare feats, or at least alleged feats. They don't match up at all. Even if you wanted to claim that it is an era bias, Khem was actually there and he relays what happened. Nox, and pretty much anyone in this game bar Vitiate or Revan, are not comparable as of this time. Whether they become comparable is another matter. KotFE hasn't happened yet. That's a pretty weak retort. Saying, "Because it's impressive it must not have actually happened like that, the plot demanded it, or the writer is terrible, isn't an argument. It's a dodge. And, as I have said already, the plot may demand that something be a certain way, but the plot is never WHY something is a certain way. The plot isn't why Nox defeated Thanaton or utterly crushed him; it only demands that Nox live and defeats Thanaton.

He also had a power advantage, which is why Nox died. Nox knows how to defend against ritual attacks just like almost every Sith or Jedi out there. The idea that more time = more power and advantage is false. The Hero of Tython, for instance, goes up against plenty of experienced sorcerers and more experienced duelists and still wins every time. Many of them are Dark Council level, one even turning a position down. Experience only gets you so far. Also quite irrelevant to the point. At no time does Khem say you are stronger, or even as strong, as Tulak Hord, and Nox doesn't have a single showing to make me believe they are either. Safe to say, Nox isn't as strong as Hord or Kallig. Too bad most of what I said was completely canon. Only the Force Storms wasn't, and it's so minor I'm wondering why you completely ignored everything else that is canon. Every book released after the pruning, hell even Vader lifts AT-STs in Rebels, is canon. So are the comics. This is how canon works now, and everything is just as valid as everything else.

Yes. And that made Thanaton more powerful than Nox. The fact that something is a ritual, one that can be used in the middle of combat, does not have anything to do with why Nox was killed. Nox died because Nox wasn't strong enough to resist it, point blank. Sorcery isn't an auto-win. Which is nice and all, except Khem doesn't once say you're as powerful as Tulak Hord, and unless Nox used the Force to down a few frigates, I don't see him ever saying they are. Except summon wormholes at will that destroyed fleets, using Lightning that engulfs planets, blitz several Jedi Masters at once, and and defeated the guy who lifted an entire droid army while manipulating missiles and freighters. Hell, even in canon Sidious has turned lyleks to ash with Lightning. Vader has completely made some implode, demolished and TK'd AT-ATs, as well as soloing an entire Rebel fleet alone. Suffice to say, Nox while extremely powerful, is not in the tiers of Tulak Hord or the higher ups, even in canon.

No. No it's not. You don't convince people on the Dark Council you are the Voice of the Emperor, which is believed to be as powerful as the Emperor, by being weaker than anyone in the room. Quite a few people actually believed Baras was the Voice. If Thanaton was more powerful, and he was alive during the entire power play, no one would. Your opinions on his weight or what you think Thanaton was actually doing are irrelevant. No, the only thing that weakened Vitiate was the ritual. None of those other things affected him in the slightest, nor are they ever stated to No, no he does not. Constantly throughout the story Khem keeps telling the Inquisitor that they are nowhere near as powerful as they think they are, and Nox was never "incredibly powerful" at the start. Force Knowledge only takes you so far, in the end Thanaton defeated Nox because he was stronger than them at the Force in that point in the story. Nox is nowhere near as powerful as Tulak Hord was implied to be and logically never will be. Again, these are more opinions. The serum changing their genetic makeup doesn't mean the effects from it were permanent nor desirable, nor does having a body more able to handle ghosts make Nox more powerful in the Force. Nox's immortality should never come into play when dealing with who is more powerful in the Force, as any such match up should. This is about who will defeat the other. Where has Nox been shown to have superior knowledge in the Force to anyone? Gameplay mechanics aside, the only non-Force Walk ritual I've actually seen Nox do failed. You started this post out talking about opinions but that seems to be the entire basis of your argument, that argument pretty much being, "Nox has a lot of writings that Tulak Hord had, and even though the Sith have seen most of these for centuries, it's definitely going to give Nox the edge, because it's Nox. Nox changed their body, and that makes them more powerful in the Force, somehow, even though this was never said anywhere. Finally, Nox's master of the Force is unparalleled, even if every other protagonist is stated to be legendary masters in their story, because again it's Nox and they are comparable to Tulak Hord."

log·ic ˈläjik/Submit noun 1. reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. So what I did here was question your reasoning. Yes that includes evidence. It is still questioning your logic. Yeah, you may have not noticed, but Baras was more powerful than Thanaton. The Wrath didn't need 4/5 ghosts to combat and defeat him. Having a powerful Sith in your bloodline thousands of years ago won't make Nox anymore powerful than they are shown in game. And Force-Walking isn't a measure of power. Post above explains this pretty well. I think you misunderstand a great deal of things. For starters, this assumes that all Jedi have the same capacity and affinity for either side of the Force. They don't. Beings like the ancient Sith were naturally attenuated towards the Dark Side. They will find it easier to master and use it. As such, their descendants in the Empire will also find it easier to use the Dark Side. It's in their blood. A random Jedi will not have so easy a time mastering or handling the corruption the Dark Side brings. This doesn't even go into the fact that Mortis exists and that what the Jedi believe has no bearing on the facts presented about the Force. Uh, no. But I'll bite. When have you ever seen someone be more powerful than a master of the Light simply because they drew on the Dark Side? Take DE for example, Luke is clearly less powerful than Sidious the entire time he's drawing on the Dark Side, and he's obviously drawing on the Dark Side given his eye color. Then for some odd reason, when Leia brings him back to the Light, he's able to overpower Palpatine, and she's not amping him, she's specifically stated to only be clearing his mind. All evidence points to the Dark Side being a quicker source of power, not a stronger one. No, it was because on a cosmic scale, the Dark Side was becoming more powerful than the Light. More specifically, in the EU at least, Plagueis and Sidious tipped the balance in the Dark Side's favor after months of rituals. No it's not. From the second you leave Korriban, it's always someone telling you about some ritual or another to gain more power. This includes your ancestral relics, Tulak Hord's rituals, a super weapon, four Force Ghosts, plus a bonus fifth, and an army that's just given to you. It's like saying the Wrath's entire storyline isn't you being directed to kill people. That's clearly what it is.

No, but unlike some people, I actually paid attention to it. Just a few posts up someone is talking about "becomes like a colicoid," with a serum that lasted a few hours max. The fact that I'm not worshiping Nox doesn't mean I don't appreciate the story. That's a bunch of nonsense.

No, the same thing that happens to the Inquisitor is what happened to everyone else. The difference is instead of dying, Nox made it to the Mother Machine. The only reason you even know about it is because someone else found it first. That's basically the Inquisitor's entire storyline.

Some problems with this logic. You're assuming the HoT and NoX have the same capacity to use the Force to make this statement even remotely relevant, and that's a pretty big assumption since Nox is the only one in the entire game that needs to augment themselves to compete. I don't know where the source for the Dark being stronger than the Light is coming from, and yes I've listened the commentary before, but given TCW's take on it, which is a lot more recent than 2002, these Forces are supposed to be in balance. The Dark Side may allow one to gain more power quickly, but on a cosmic level any one side shifting too much is kind of not supposed to happen. Hence the entire Original Saga.

The money TOR makes still goes to Disney, so you've been spending plenty of dimes for them to fund the next piece of "trash."

Like I've said before, gear was always cosmetic. Right now I can make a Sith Warrior with a jetpack and still have the proper stats. Mods are all that ever mattered.

As far as gear goes, there is no "gear for each class." There never was to being with. The only thing that ever mattered was stats, and they all share the same main stat now. Gear is, and always has been, mostly cosmetic.

The truth about opinions is, while you may think one thing, others may think completely differently. Things you find bearable are not found bearable by others. I can come on here and talk about why everything you said is fine is in fact very detrimental to the overall experience.

It doesn't make sense for any of the Force Users in this game to take on Valkorion, let alone the non Force Sensitives. Best to actually see the story first.

People who complain about how hard these "level 5 mobs will be," which is pretty dumb within itself because Hutta cap will be 12, I have a question: When did you ever die against these things? Ever. Was there ever a K'lor'slug that was so challenging that you needed to use all of your skill to defeat it? The vast majority of the content on the lower planets is meant to be solo'd anyway. Most of the things brought up in these threads aren't even meant to be done with a companion, which by the way can now all do every roll. "Combat is the absolute easiest it's ever been, but that one little number at the side of my screen says I can be hit now, so it's way too hard. Except for when I'm doing content that's at my actual level, then it's way too easy. It's like I'm just trying to find a reason to complain, or something." is the gist I get from almost every one of these threads that pop up every day.

Level is a completely arbitrary gameplay mechanic. I'm honestly tired of people saying, "Mub experience" to justify complaining over it. You still have the abilities, which is the only thing that could actually translate into learning something from cutting down your 650th mob, so I think a lot of people seriously need to calm down. Cutting down a punch of randoms doesn't make it easier for you to dodge blaster shots or Lightning, for instance, so the argument is far from sound.

Vader's new prime is Rebels, actually. This Vader actually weaker than in his prime. After he finds out that Luke exists, his power starts to wane.

All the stories talk about how strongly connected to the Force you are, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. The reason Vitiate is able to possess a lot of people on Ziost is because he doesn't have a body and thus doesn't have the same limitations he would have had if he did. The Emperor had a body before, whether it was the Voice or his real one. He also didn't devour Ziost with a body, because again, he didn't have one. You're also making a ton of baseless assumptions about how the Emperor will finally die, and given the shift towards single player, and the fact that we know that either the SW and the JK can both be blamed for the Emperor's death, it's even less likely. The story hasn't changed at all. You just saw something big and flashy, like Vitiate eating a planet, and assumed that meant godly levels of power that no one would be able to overcome. That has never been true in Star Wars.

There's no evidence for a Voice being weaker than the Emperor, and many quotes to the contrary. And while the Consular has the more flashy Force powers, nothing about that makes them inherently superior in the Force to anyone else.