It still doesn't make sense, if its working as intended there is no point to take any other relic over stacking the power relics. I wish BW would confirm whether it really is working as intended or if it's a bug.

Thank you for confirming with physical evidence for the doubters to see. Just got off work and you saved me the time of having to prove it to people.

I will tonight when I get back from work, I only played one wz then logged out for work. They definitely are stacking though I saw two power relic proc icons on my buff bar. When one procs you only see one, but when they both proc there are two icons appearing. See for yourself if you don't believe me.

Actually they do, I just tested it.

Thank you for fixing the absorb relic, but the power relics were able to be double stacked as well. I noticed there wasn't any mention of the power relics being fixed in the patch notes. Unless you guys fixed it and forgot to put it in the patch notes the power relics double stack as well. I would like some confirmation on whether they were fixed or not.

Spoken like a true dps monkey, by your logic PvP should just pure dps vs dps. There is a game like that called COD, maybe you should try it. As for as the op is concerned ya it sucks when no one dies but at the same time if your nerf healers to the point where they can only heal themselves whats the point of bringing them into wzs, or tanks for that matter.

I definitely agree with you on TESO, that combat style has no place in any game w/ PvP. It's strictly a PvE playstyle. That's basically the reason why I won't be buying it right off the bat. Wildstar I understand where you're coming from on the cartoony graphics however I'm willing to overlook that because of the amazing gameplay. The diversity of the PvP is too enticing to not give the game a shot. It seems to me like the biggest letdown for you was the graphics. Also the fact that it isn't Star Wars, which I understand because Star Wars is amazing. If I could stick with Star Wars I would but the PvP in this game is dying. It's not a coincidence that the Bastion and PoT5 are the two least populated servers.

Hmm, you do prove a valid point I didn't even think about that. I should have stated in my OP that I'm trying to think of ways to encourage people to play. Meh, It's not so much the comms i'm concerned about, it really is easy to get them. I'm just trying to think of ways to encourage more people to pvp. Although I think PvPers are at fault here for the way the majority of the community flame noobs, or bads. The only way for these guys to get better is to keep playing and by flaming them we discourage people to play. Yes dailies might not be the answer but there has some to be some way to create incentives for more people to play. The PvP population is dwindling and it's frustrating to watch.

Title says it all. Can we please have some? Just my two cents.

Can you elaborate why? I'm curious to see what you didn't like about both games.

So you want a stealther to let himself die when he has vanish at disposal. Do you get mad when healers heal themselves? How about when a sniper uses pushback to fend of melee, or when a PT uses pull as your trying to escape? God forbid any class pop their DCD's while facing you. I'd suggest saving your hard stun for when he is close to dying then let loose.

I definitely agree with you OP. I think a nerf to Operatives will make all 3 healers not viable in arenas. We will all get melted down like butter and won't be able to heal through any dps. 4 v 4 and 8 v 8 are so different it's really hard to balance equally between the two. In 8 v 8 the only time I used energy regen was to troll roll around more. 4 v 4? In a good fight I'll find myself using energy regen to heal more because for the first time in a millennium I will actually run out of energy. Our hard cast heals cost 25 energy and kolto infusion is one of our most important heals in arenas (it has the healing output of surge probe and kolto probe combined) . Like Alex said if you aren't forcing an op heals to hard cast you are going to lose anyway, you simply aren't doing enough damage. Troll roll is hardly used in arenas it just doesn't have much usefulness. Also in 8 v 8 we are practically unkillable b/c you usually have at least 2 some times 3 healers on the same team. Add that with a competent tank and..... well you know the rest. I forgot to mention I never thought troll roll was the real problem I thought it was our energy management but 4 v 4 changed my opinion. I'm fine if people want to put a cd on it, I only used it once as it cost 1/4 of our energy. The only time I spam it is in huttball or to go from node to node.

Thanks for all the input! Sorry I couldn't get back to it sooner, I read all replies and rather then create a wall text replying to indvidual responses I will some up my thoughts from what I read. ESO has a team from DAOCC, a shame I never played that game however they seem to put a great amount of effort into PvP. As a PvP first player it seems encouraging but I don't know how fun PvP will actually be if they use the Oblivion combat style. It just feels clunky to me. If anyone wants to debunk my claim on the combat style being clunky go ahead. I want to be convinced it won't be clunky like oblivion but I just don't see it translating well into PvP. Wildstar, when I first heard about the game I would have agreed with everyone bashing the cartoony graphics. The cartoony graphics DID NOT appeal to me at all. When I looked up some videos and did some more research I thought the gameplay looked amazing. Arenas, 20 v 20, 40 v 40, WPvP there is so much diversity! Although the game is very cartoony the graphics look amazing, but I understand it being a major letdown to some people (hell, it was to me at first) Wildstar has peaked my interest at this point but it's still subject to change as both games get closer to launch. Hype comes with all new things (look at SWTOR). I believe both games will have their share of QQs and quitters. People expect perfection in a world where perfection is unattainable, I'm willing to look past imperfections of a game as long as it's challenging, entertaining and multiple classes are viable.

I'm curious to hear what people think about Wildstar and ESO, especially from beta testers. As a PvP orientated player, it looks like Wildstar is where it's at. With open world pvp, and player housing it reminds me a lot of the the good ole SWG days. From videos ESO looks like the combat style will be the same as their previous line up of games Oblivion, etc. It doesn't look to appealing to pvp with that type of style. Anyone care to share their thoughts on either of the two?

5 v 4 isn't a premades fault, thats buggy matchmaking. You act like it's a premades fault for 5 v 4 matches, which is ridiculous. I have yet to play a 5 v 4 match. If you don't want to play premades they have solo que for a reason.

The problem with PvP is the endless amount of QQs.

OP I'm not a fan of huttball either, but the thought is unique and I appreciate that aspect of it. I like the effort that they invented a knew "sport" within the game and I applaud their effort for creativity. Now if only that same creativity was applied to the new pvp gear.

I'm sure someone has said this by now, but they all look the friggin same. Yes there is a SLIGHT difference with a high emphasis on SLIGHT. Since it's still subject to change I won't freak out yet, although I believe we will end up getting this set. Each armor set should represent it's particular AC not be carbon copies of each other. I will admit this armor set would be cool for one of the classes (inq) but the fact that all 8 classes armor look the exact same is a huge derp.

I'm on a pve server, pvp is my main interest but I still enjoy a little pve every now and then. Is it hard to find groups for ops and the sort?

I know, I know another transfer thread. With arenas coming out in 2.4 and the uproar of 8v8 ranked being removed is it worth transferring a toon over? I've seen a lot of people saying their guilds are disbanding, they are leaving the game etc. I don't want to transfer a toon over to a server that is dying so I want to hear some opinions of the community here. Are people leaving due to 8v8 ranked a minority, will the population still be strong? What's the word on the streets Pot5?

I say this because I have a feeling that they'll nerf ops to the point where they're absolutely useless, I just don't want to see another class get ruined. I'd rather see increases in the other 2 healers abilities and a slight decrease in ops rather than bringing the full on nerfhammer on ops.

I'm not saying OPs don't need to be nerfed, I'd like to see some slight adjusments to ops to bring them down a bit while buffing the other calsses. You have great points but I just don't have faith in BW to make the proper adjustments. I think that they'll absolutely murder this class like they did PT rendering ops useless which wouldn't be fair to people who enjoy playing their op. Also to the person who said it's easier to nerf one class than buff the other, these guys get paid to make adjustments, develop, etc . Technically they're professionals why shouldn't we expect them to at least try to do it right rather than take the easy route.

I'd rather see improvements on classes that need buffs rather than calling for nerfs on certain classes (i.e Op). I understand Op is the way to go for healers but nerfing them and buffing the other healers would only result in a new FOTM healer. Wouldn't you rather see all 3 healers be perfectly optimal for ranked in their own unique ways? Same goes for Sin/Shadow tanks asking Guardians to be nerfed. It's just silly to think that a nerf will solve the problem, look at what they did to PTs. It'd make PvP teams a lot more diversified and it'd be interesting to see what teams bring to they table. Also it will allow players to play to their play styles rather than playing to the FOTM.

What do you guys think the best lineup will be for 4 v 4 ranked? I know it's all speculation especially if BW works on class balance (lol) but what do you guys think? I'm hoping it won't be a Guardian/Jugg tank, 2 snip/slingers, and an op/scoundrel heals.

Alright cool, when I was searching around I've seen some posts on people whining about concealment being ineffective, where as I saw nobody complaining about Scoundrels so I was a little confused. I figured I'd make a post b/c people whine about anything.