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damn i did it last night and I pity you. Like I am going through my other games trying to play them but i'm like "I just wanna play SWTOR, everything else is BORING."

SPOILER WARNING: If you havennt done the latest chapter do NOT READ MY COMMENT. well while the Mando chapter ended up being a huge disappointing crap fest most of the other chapters were decent-good. The conclusion was very good imho. I am glad it ended the way it did. Look back to the Antagonist's life. He's been beaten and battered forever, maybe redemption can be found? Maybe he deserves that chance. I mean I guess in many ways I can relate to him in my own personal life and so I am glad. Maybe you can't relate, idk. If Valkorian and Senya's roles were reversed, that was pretty much my family. Minus the death of a sibling but an abusive/absentee parent? Ya I know that feeling and what it does to the mind. Also I liked Arcaan in the trailer and felt so bad for him the whole way.

People are so hard on the Employees but remember they had a staff cut like what? 2 years ago or whatever? They are doing the best they can. Yes I know it sucks you can't get in game atm and we are all hyped to play but please calm down people. I'm sure the staff is under a lot of stress and while we are consumers who should be playing right now things DO HAPPEN. Give em some time.

Personally I would have preferred them not getting Revan involved in this game. Would have been neat having some old Holocrons of Revan, Malak, and the Sith Triumvirate with holo recordings being found in other locations and adding Dxun/Onderon, Dantooine, and Telos to the game as playable planets as well as Manaan and Kashyyk. I still love the game but I think it could have done much better with these features. I believe that leaving Revan to a book, comic, series, or sequel or even all of the above would have been better. Also the one thing I liked about Revan at the end of both Kotor's was the mysticism behind him. To me the SWTOR and KOTOR Revans are not alike and not how I would have envisioned him. Also this game did a terrible disservice to Meetra Surik who was one of the coolest Jedi ever (and a personal favorite of mine).

lol my operative got the lower half of Kreia's set. The idea of a Chiss operative walking around in that is humorous at least. That said....I would have preferred to transfer it to my sage or sell it to help my guild with our Tat SH savings fun.

I was once a proud citizen of Jung Ma but it is really dead now...and I mean REALLY DEAD NOW. I was on fleet on Pub side a few saturdays ago around 10 AM. There were 8 people on Fleet. So I went over to Imp fleet and only 3 people. This is beyond pathetic. I don't blame the people who left. How could you, honestly? I've run with a ton of guilds in the past but prominent ones were Celestial Argonauts, Forsaken Legion, WARRIORS WOLF PACK, and Witches Of Dathomir. All great guilds, really fantastic people. But alas most of them left. If they didn't transfer servers they left because of the massive drop of friends on their server. I blame the devs for this as they have not been willing to throw long time players a bone on this one. Make mega servers that allow people to transfer their alts for free to one selected server of their choice. Guilds can get on TeamSpeak or Vent or Mumble and let their guildies know where the guild is moving to and they could all transfer together and keep playing. Idk how Bio/EA cannot see the profit in doing this for long term. It really is frustrating and some of my closest friends up and quit. I was forced to start anew on The Ebon Hawk server and came in contact with my old guild Forsaken Legion. Making this choice was very hard but it had to be done. I don't have endless amounts of cash to throw around on transfers. I am subbed as much as I can be. I've put in a lot of money into this game over the years as well. But I see it's not really appreciated by the company that runs the show and it breaks my heart.

Well Death Legion is gone so the server is already vastly improved. XD

Imp Side I'd highly recommend either Forsaken Legion or Tusken Raiders. Both are fun guilds and both are pretty active. Forsaken has TS3 and active warzoning. Pub side I'd check out Celestial Argonauts, they have good leadership and about 15 allies between pub and imp side. And possibly 2 more joining the alliance soon.

Ya it's good about the changes in expansion since you guys love ganking lowbies instead of real challenges.

Where is your proof of this claim? Many on the Council remained silent when Baras nearly took power, INCLUDING Thanaton who was in the Dark Council Chambers when the whole thing played out with the Sith Warrior and Baras. He was one of the few that said nothing, did nothing. Thanaton was a frightened pup and would have let Baras have his way. If he thought he could win do you really think he would have let Baras continue, or for that matter almost all of the other Council Members? It is clear to me that the top dogs at that time were Baras, Marr, Ravage, and Mortis. The reason Thanaton was there at all was a fluke and was just keeping the seat of The Sphere Of Ancient Knowledge warm for the person that was inevitably going to take his place. On top of that The Sphere Of Ancient Knowledge is not a seat of power for the most combat ready of the Sith Order. Darth Baras on the other hand was apart of and later lead the Sphere of MILITARY OFFENSE. Need I say more? No, I think not. Thanaton a warrior? Um no he was most definitely a scholar and it's pretty clear as to why that was. He hid behind his underlings and ran away from a fight he started. Baras has lead attacks and fought many Jedi and Sith prior to the Treaty Of Coruscant. Oh and Thanaton is not a Politician? Really? Do you recall the Sith you fought in the anti chambers before you fight Thanaton? "There is a whole world of politics you can't even begin to understand" <---Was said by that one low life sith before you cut him and his 2 apprentices down. Never bothered to remember the chump's name. Baras also was able to easily defend himself from Satele Shan's attacks with a calm demeanor. And it was Darth Baras and Darth Angral that fought off the Jedi on Dantooine, including the Grand Master Herself among other accomplished warriors. He had also fought off Angral. Where was Thanaton when all this happened? This is what wookie had to say about him and lightsaber combat: " Baras was skilled in lightsaber combat, being able to hold his own against opponents such as Jedi Satele Shan and Sith Lord Angral. He also demonstrated skill in Force lightning which he used to force Darth Angral into standing down. Judging by his masking of his dark side nature from Satele Shan, he was either genuinely capable of drawing power from the light side or extremely adapt at masking his own emotions.[9] He was also adept at Force scream." Baras is one of the most underrated Sith of all time and the truth is because he is fat and people hate on him for that (which shows the mentality of some people). Thanaton the warrior you say? Yes Thanaton fought too, mostly against people who had no force affinity at all and some he just surprise attacked, like Maggot. This is what wookie says about Thanaton's lightsaber skills: "Before becoming Darth Thanaton, Teneb Kel was a clever young apprentice, considered by many to be destined to be a great Sith. He first started out as a Sith assassin. He was proficient in the use of a lightsaber, utilizing a double-bladed one in combat. His prowess with his lightsaber allowed him to temporarily hold his own against the likes of Jedi Master Jerbhen Hulis and Exal Kressh. However, Kel's style was not enough to best either of these combatants. He relied on his wits rather than pure aggression, as demonstrated by the immediacy in which he "measured up" Master Hulis in their encounter. But in his final duel with Kressh, his skill matched his resolve; he also had to rely on his cunning to defeat the seasoned Sith apprentice." ^ Well it doesn't sound like he is bringing anything to the table that Baras himself could not also bring, and then some. A double blade means nothing if the wielder is not as proficient as the opponent wielding a single blade. The Double blade can just as easily hamper as help you in combat (probably why he ditched it since he was lack luster when faced with other force wielders). Baras has been beaten in saber combat but after very lengthy duels and against very powerful, top tier warriors. wookie continues: "On Lenico IV, Kel displayed the ability to not only be able to Force Jump his way across the Baron-Surgeon Ybann's suite to avoid the blaster shots of the Hutt's guard droids, but also to render the droids in question hostile towards one another while doing this, using only the Force. In addition to that Kel managed to mind trick a guard to let him through the secure area. Kel has also shown himself capable of producing Force lightning. In his first duel with Exal Kressh, Kel utilized Force Throw to toss crystalline permaglass at Kressh even though the attack was deflected by the renegade Sith apprentice. In his final duel with the Emperor's apprentice, he ultimately defeated Exal Kressh by using Force Pull to skewer her through the chest with a lightsaber." ^ So he might have had more variety but a lot of that Baras could also do and what he couldn't didn't really matter as it would not be relevant if the 2 met face to face in a fight. Thanaton also did not have the experience that Baras did with much more life threatening opponents. So all that said to me Baras wins this 2 out of 3 times, maybe more. Okay so addressing the first part, Baras did a LOT of his own foot work before he had "lackeys" to do things for him. He earned his stripes, just like any other Dark Council Member had to. He has fought some really nasty battles against some really powerful opponents. To the Part about being the Voice. Many on the Council were going to let him go unopposed, this was mentioned in the story line 2 or 3 times. Vowrawn was just not in the dark about it since he had the connections and Marr clearly suspected something to be fishy but for all that Baras was very close to success. Add to the fact that if his sister had lived she might have been all the difference he needed to succeed. For the part about the Wrath, just as in the case with Nox if a challenge is issued like that in front of the Dark Council it is the Sith way to deal with such things personally. Had the Wrath lost, Vowrawn would have been killed and the Empire would have bent the knee to Baras. That's how serious a threat he was to the entire infrastructure and I dont think you fully comprehend or appreciate the severity of the situation. And what do you mean he would have "shotted them"? Not sure what that was supposed to mean but if he just started killing council members the whole lot of them would have attacked him at that point. I don't think he could take Marr, Ravage, Mortis, AND Thanaton all on at the same time and even if that was the case and he did do that then the entire empire would crumble due to a large power vacuum and no one to take their places in the 12 Spheres and Baras would have been completely overwhelmed and fail to maintain the Empire. Too much administrative work for any one man to do, and while at war to boot. Where is your logic?

True enough and a good point.

Was it true the Dark Council looked down on Thanaton?

So does anyone know the order in who was the strongest to weakest of the Dark Council Members? You don't have to add Baras and Thanaton, though adding them would be a nice little addition to your response. Also I am talking before Nox is named a member of the Dark Council. It always feels like because of how the Dark Council acted in the Inquis Campaign that it was Marr>Ravage>Darth Mortis>aaaand thats about as much as I know of the Dark Council. So please share with me if you have any ideas, opinions, answers, whateves. Thanks!

Good point, I never thought about it like that. Thanks.