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Sorry for length I'm really excited about this stronghold and I've wanted one on Alderaan for years. I'm just really worried its going to get messed up like Manaan did. Manaan I was so excited for, and then let down for so many reasons. Please don't do the same with this! Here is my feedback from what I can tell: I'm not on the test server but I watched a video. Hooks, def need work. Killik Caves - way too big. It would be cool to have a smaller one, but that thing is the size of a building nearly, and there is absolutely nothing I want to put in there. It feels like it would be a cool concept, to have a small one. What is there to me feels like a massive waste of space. Front of the base - agree on way too big, or maybe how the layout is? So, this is my personal perspective. I'm curious to what others thing as well. One of the major failings to me with Manaan was that there were all these aspects about the planet I loved, the fountains especially. When you are outside, the fountains. When you go meet Lana and Theron, I LOVE the office with the fountain. I love the statues. They make the area what it is. I get the desire to want to allow people to be creative, but making all of the things that I had loved so much item hooks, then making things like the statues centerpiece size instead of medium and large, just killed it for me. It doesn't have the parts I absolutely love so much about it. More rooms- this is a noble house. This feels to me like it needs to be bigger, like having more luxurious rooms. You want to have the basic rooms on the floor level to use for whatever. I think if you then go up and down you could get really creative. One thing I LOVED about the new story was the senators quarters. They were absolutely gorgeous and I loved the details. I love how you guys put in room dividers and the furniture. https://i.imgur.com/mrbPt4v.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Ym68eHA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6tvIl65.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rP37Oeu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/C8xzMIu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jRA2p8v.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PulBjoD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Qx2JfUr.jpg While everything is obviously based on Egyptian styles, the whole way this room has been set up just feels luxurious. I would love to see bedrooms with similar setups. You can't replicate how this looks in a normal stronghold with how things are set up, you just can't. Back to Alderaan. So things to me... I get for some reason you guys like to downsize things. But all these pillars being so tiny look really bad to me. Some are that small yes, but putting them in every corner looks awful. I'd rather have them replicate the real ones. These patterns are horizontally supposed to be long. Some areas look like they've been shortened and it makes it feel really weird. https://i.imgur.com/8OUhCSK.jpg Statues Statues IMO make or break these places. They're all over Coruscant's Senate, Alderaan, and in some Jedi temples. Yet, they're left completely out. Again, they are in game, but they're stupidly huge. I would LOVE if you just put them in where they are supposed to be. Or somehow made an option to either have the statues there, or place your own object? The current statues are stupidly large and won't fit correctly. They are also a very specific part of the art style. You take them away, you make it unconsciously feel really off. https://i.imgur.com/8OUhCSK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3Wyx6F9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hxMi1rg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/i8N6N5J.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iQnwGyb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Z8FHjlL.jpg Library - I would LOVE to see a library, one already built. That has a curved walls or something like that. We can decorate the rest of it. Throne room - I agree 100% with the comment that the throne thing ruins the room. I also agree with the other comment suggesting to build a lower area (and/or a higher one like a balcony) that is essentially all windows to see the view. I think having some kind of large lower room that has a 360 view to be used as a meeting room or something would be stunning. It would be neat to have a balcony or small balconies attached to the rooms like Yavin. I would suggest a special area for both a large meeting room and bedrooms that have the huge clear windows. https://i.imgur.com/wcopOOE.jpg Bedrooms * a few designated decent sized ones * divider things * windows * small balcony w view Outside- one of my favorite things about alderaan is the scenery, gardens, and fountains. Please do NOT pull a manaan and toss them. Look at how beautiful they look, the fountain, statue, and greenery together. I think the pools in the back are cool. What I would change= Front has this, exactly this https://i.imgur.com/76J7QqB.jpg and these and either the front or the back https://i.imgur.com/3Wyx6F9.jpg Have small gardens in the front, and then in the back, expand it. Use both fountains and the natural greenery. You already have some utterly gorgeous architecture, USE IT https://i.imgur.com/76J7QqB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Z8FHjlL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hxMi1rg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tZEZvMH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HGAZxTj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/P4OZMmc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4gBbDUt.jpg https://i.imgur.com/J2MV1bi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/AI9TXma.jpg https://i.imgur.com/J7dqopT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S0MZFUb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lS8QgjR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BGY88tH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zO7vTfW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kEWdJ5d.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0Ni7OLa.jpg I would have these beautiful layered gardens and fountains, then have it lead off to a more natural area with the falls. Or even sort of loop them around so they are facing each other. Those are my personal current thoughts. I hope I've not been boring or too annoying and hope some of these ideas may be considered. <3

I was really excited to get back as a companion after Onslaught. His stuff randomly appeared in my inventory before the chapter we play where we run into him. I did dialogue and nothing that would have harmed him. Once the chapter was done and I relieved all the other companions, I noticed he was not among them. In fact, he wasn't in my list at all. I went to check my companion locator on Odessen and nothing. So I put in a ticket. The response made no sense- and it gives me an error every time I attempt to reply. I made no choices indicating, nor saw anything that indicated my companion dying. Please help me get him back and fix this? Thank you! Cindlehr

Also, can anyone pleas tell me if this is a glitch or ***? I have Therans stuff back, I finished Corellia, but I don't see Theran anywhere in my companions list, nor terminal. ***

I solo play as well for the same reasons, while I managed to not die, several times were just barely. None of the companions were healing properly until I pulled out Theron (one level away from max). They would glitch out even when I was trying to use them to get materials.

after finishing Corellia when the news report came out, Saresh gave a speech. I killed her because I knew she was too dangerous to allow to live, even as my consular. Yet she appeared on the news giving a speech. I thought that other woman earlier (who is amazing btw) was the new supreme chancellor?

I'm on Satele Shan and for the past few years I've never really had issues. Until about the past 2-4 months? I have not really been keeping track but it started sometime after an update happened. I can play, but there is ALWAYS lag. I can't even run or move anywhere without constant lag. None of my settings or things on my computer changed. Drivers were recently updated. I've even turned down certain settings and several other things off to still have the same problem.

I'm still curious why Doc just left... (dunno if thats the case for married knight). I hope he's coming back for good too.

Agreed <3 I was having fun so far

A lot of friends want keys for the strongholds that allow those who are given them to decorate with the owners items. That would be pretty awesome in helping out friends.

I thought that WAS what happened >.> My understanding was Lana and Theron teamed up again, using their talents to pull together people and using their abilities to get what they could done. Romanced Theron says he was sorry he couldn't be there when you woke up, because he had his part to play. Even if it meant not being right by your side. He was preparing a lot of other things, possibly even getting into the systems with T7,

This is my response to the last chapter if anyone wants to see, SPOILERS

thank you! I was taught with art criticism its easier to explain what parts you like, don't like, and how to improve. I figure by giving the devs as much actual visual feedback as possible it may be helpful for them, if they decide to listen to it. someone further down Also its not the issue of them giving us a ton of hooks, its the positioning of the hooks and how some of the decor has been created to fit certain hooks only. Dev team, I really hope you please consider what I and others have posted. This has been a long desired stronghold for many people and its like being given Alderaan but then no gardens, multi weather areas, or any of the actual architecture that make it so loved. It's very much fixable, and you'd have a lot more really happy people if you guys actually worked on it more.

Alright... here is my breakdown So a good while ago I made this post http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=873929 I have been super hyped for this stronghold for a while. But I agree that it feels very rushed. I really hope devs will at least read this post, because I try to offer solutions that really shouldn’t be very hard. This stronghold has potential, it just…. needs some improvement. What draws me to Manaan- in game the planet is just relaxing to visit. The music, fountains, plants and oceans make it a very peaceful place. Minus the flashpoint. Also rp wise its where my character got to really start to interact with Theron. So it’s a special place for her. Obviously a stronghold should be customizable, but at the same time, we want something like Manaan or Alderaan to strongly evoke the actual places, which are what we’ve fallen in love with. Manaan- Arrival http://imgur.com/gSBlx8a http://imgur.com/f6fwT2K http://imgur.com/NecKP0R http://imgur.com/00zoWDP http://imgur.com/OEHIcIA http://imgur.com/KBs6c3F What we get is pretty similar http://imgur.com/2cnWktR http://imgur.com/1ClbjjR http://imgur.com/X7LZi1o http://imgur.com/7KHoskn http://imgur.com/nbTenKr So starting off… two of the BIGGEST annoyances to me…. Statues/plants and water sculptures As said, it takes the combination of statues, water and plants. Pretty Manaan Statues http://imgur.com/00zoWDP http://imgur.com/oHGPtY6 http://imgur.com/4T0BUpx Problem with this…. *** guys http://imgur.com/2cnWktR why no statues? Okay, I guess you gave me one in the pack that came out with this…only problem… http://imgur.com/mulmXus it only fits a starship hook…. These gold statues are part of what makes Manaan so pretty….we get 1. 1 that is a STARSHIP hook when it should be a tiny green one…. Also this place has tons of pretty topiary trees, glowing ferns, other ferns etc….. we get 0. The Manaan gardens that got relabeled as Zakuul… supposed to fit in these things http://imgur.com/KBs6c3F nope huge hook only http://imgur.com/5skvLvl what? Fountains The fountains are my second favorite part of this place! Look at how pretty they are! http://imgur.com/NcWjPTf http://imgur.com/BxVj6af http://imgur.com/iDxDlpr http://imgur.com/r2KexS4 What we get http://imgur.com/EoNojia http://imgur.com/8sMGsgg and my favorite got turned into this http://imgur.com/FA0XWHV I understand you’re trying to let us build our own fountains and decorate, but it really, really ruins the point of them all together. Inside Upstairs Manaan http://imgur.com/sKHcG8X http://imgur.com/Pqrb7Y3 http://imgur.com/6fgJoet http://imgur.com/I4vt4WA **** this here is my FAVORITE http://imgur.com/DQvFMVe http://imgur.com/OK7gfWP **** and this ITS SO PRETTY http://imgur.com/lG8eEjN http://imgur.com/sKHcG8X http://imgur.com/o2q34TD Instead we get http://imgur.com/MZu0g8A http://imgur.com/HPNo4aN http://imgur.com/pMixEsC The skylight is nice, but we’re given ONE large room. There is no way to really break it up without it looking weird. We really need smaller rooms. Places so we can set up things like bedroom, library, whatever. While Manaan has big rooms, they are also well balanced by the available décor and ESPECIALLY the huge waterfall acting as a sort of window stand in. Now I LOVE the idea of the outside garden. Only problem is the hooks suck. So does the view. I can see the ocean! …. Wait…. http://imgur.com/N4lWqIq http://imgur.com/G1M11g3 Being able to see the ocean would be nice. Like, lower the wall a lot. Also… WHY does the Manaan Lounge set take up a spaceship hook?!?!!? Windows http://imgur.com/OzFwrGb Big windows we can see through http://imgur.com/B2NoINP http://imgur.com/MxapkYF Underwarter Color scheme http://imgur.com/OzFwrGb Big windows http://imgur.com/XLXKIBF http://imgur.com/xjjOeLd this was pretty awesome http://imgur.com/t0p1cot What we get No windows? http://imgur.com/vwp7Tze Okay not awful http://imgur.com/mYVQ5DG Color scheme underwater WAY off. I get wanting to make it look like a lab and all with cool colors… but not working so well http://imgur.com/aH6mqWR Hi fishy! http://imgur.com/Ql7YcTt I also noticed, WHY DO WE HAVE SPACESHIP HOOKS ON THE OCEAN FLOOR? http://imgur.com/yXyvqaJ I mean, okay we can decorate, sort of? What are you going to put there? Windows! Are blurry…. http://imgur.com/00ioL1v This is cool! I like this, just wish it was clearer http://imgur.com/v5cof7m Science http://imgur.com/DQvFMVe http://imgur.com/sKHcG8X Science? http://imgur.com/XEbWaRJ http://imgur.com/neaL1p5 http://imgur.com/8ZbrNRv Also the hooks are awful. Why can’t I put my deep sea specimens up against the wall and then a desk in front of it? I can only fit it in the middle of the floor…. And things like explorers equipment don’t fit at all Also, no library? ;_; http://imgur.com/NNzk7YO IMPROVEMENTS More smaller rooms that look like this http://imgur.com/DQvFMVe http://imgur.com/lG8eEjN Docking station would be neat http://imgur.com/g8dXEat http://imgur.com/zkqJFi2 http://imgur.com/XviSCxF More items, lots more items http://imgur.com/LdaNB18 http://imgur.com/qzjyNZ2 http://imgur.com/LKRwVWU http://imgur.com/DQvFMVe http://imgur.com/lZ4kqTt http://imgur.com/KMfxhqm http://imgur.com/eHrOrdo http://imgur.com/DHZX6wq Change hooks around, including item size hooks give us the real fountains please We need a ton more lights, plants, flags and furniture available to us please Garden idea good. Hooks and view, horrible. Way to reach starship Downstairs looks AWFUL I would really like the pretty golden statues where they are supposed to be please. More tree items like in game. I know we can get the glowy plants but other than that, really? This could be really awesome, but it need some serious work. Pretty please devs?

Likes * FINALLY *dances* * seriously so happy about this * its not too huge like yavin * overall I'm pretty happy, so thank you for finally putting this one together! Dislikes * we need more of those gold statue decorations we see all over Manaan. If you buy the Deep Water set you get 1, which is a center hook. This to me does not make sense. Actual town has a statue on top of the walkway, I'm sad that was not replicated, nor can I create it to be replicated. * the inside layout doesn't really seem to match the city architecture to me * feel it needs to be a bit bigger, a few extra rooms that would be bedrooms type of deal * so yeah, def more gold statues https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-l5T91kKDn-o/V1snjAEdUxI/AAAAAAAADL4/95h-Zdi7D-8d4-Ff_ootoW6D0hWuPfG2gCLcB/s1600/Outside%2BDepths%2Bof%2BManaan.jpg * fountains. I'm happy we have them, but I was really looking forward to this http://massivelyop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/one53.jpg I am happy that we sort of have them on the sides, but these falls were part of my favorite thing about Manaan, so not being front and center make me sad * needs a bedroom, I hate the idea of making a bedroom in the basement with the lighting/decor area. Using a side by the window in the main room * hooks are really confusing as to where they are placed. The main room, so much could be done with it, but the spacing is horrible! * item size to hook are confusing. Why is a certain garden a centerpiece and why don't we have a proper hook for it? http://www.swtorstrategies.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/22-QbEysy8.jpg Why is the gold statue mentioned above a centerpiece? It shouldn't be. Why are certain hooks in certain spots but not others that would match the way the city looks? * Random glitch where my main male companions from story are lined up outside in their underwear. Can't switch them out. I know Kaliyo isn't complaining. * while I love the concept of the garden, I hate that you can't see out the water. Its like you get a partial fence with some greenery and that sit. At least let me look at the ocean or something. * we need these fern plants and a lot more topiary plants in game to help decorate * music needs to work and also seriously needs a loop option * need more manaan specific decor, more chairs/couches/tanks etc. * was hoping for some secret room or view, enjoyed those a lot in Yavin

spoiler pics below you can see him watching her http://imgur.com/vDl5WKz Question http://imgur.com/SnYpSea Maybe http://imgur.com/asmg8wY lean in http://imgur.com/IWhyHNs Kiss http://imgur.com/kIsrrt3 http://imgur.com/DYPW1YX http://imgur.com/1eTVSKR ?- animated expressions are horrible lol http://imgur.com/SZtMjH1 i think it worked http://imgur.com/7yqlngT http://imgur.com/Z3uNfxV Theron smiling http://imgur.com/fF7oNF1 Loka smiling http://imgur.com/lTiuyx0 later http://imgur.com/ETIbYJf aww look at that face http://imgur.com/ETIbYJf okay... http://imgur.com/uTu1vxO http://imgur.com/Z20hVo8

Praying for super awesome good stuff for this new chapter ;_; for the love of all things please deliver what we've only seen glimpses of already....I highly doubt it but hey I can hope....

Yeah I was happy we see Theran a lot more, but sad that there are no interactions. One of the scenes where you are separated, I could swear was going to give you the option to flirt but nope. Even afterward.... running around not knowing if the other was okay. I would think there would at least be a letter. Even if we get a cut scene next chapter, it better be a good one.... * while Revan cut was nice, it was kinda random af. Hey we saved the galaxy, wait you want to do what? Not that any of us were really complaining XD It just felt really weird agreeing on my jedi * at the end of the next one you get a kiss which is nice but still kinda felt like, really that was it? * we finally got a kiss and blackout a good while ago. but still left a ton up to the imagination. were they just hanging out there, did they run off etc. * a few letters and a few flirts It really just feels like there is a huge chunk of the relationship happening that we are totally missing and its super frustrating. The last writer responded to some questions I had on twitter which was awesome. Mostly that they had a lot more ideas for romances including Torian he would have loved to put into the chapter, but the time is so limited and everything is costly and adds up so fast. I'd really like to see more basic interaction with LIs. I just miss that relationship we had with companions. I'm still baffled at not being able to mention things like Sateles locket. That's a HUGE, HUGE, deal. when they actually do these things, they've been doing them well, mostly. I mean the original letter nailed it. The return talk in the cantina was sweet. but we still have yet for any of that to come up again. considering upcoming stuff: rumor has it but yeah, here is hoping for some better stuff. They totally have the ability to make stuff like this amazing, just apparently are unable to fit it in? Which sucks

Bumping this! also see http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=817894 and http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=878514

We've said it over and over, which is stupid at this point. We understand that we're taking a risk. Here is what we're pissed off about. 200 cc- pick an older pack * 1 décor OR mount * armor set or pieces * weapon * misc (crystal, pet) * Jawa junk * Rep vendor stuff * companion gift You we're guaranteed to get at least 1 of everything. Decorative item, OR a mount. Pet or color crystal etc. So I'm looking for mando stuff. If I had spent the money to get the 5 packs (which is what I do) I have gotten at least- so 5 boxes 5 décor/mounts 5 weapons 5 armor set/armor pieces 5 pets/color crystal/ misc. 5 jawa junk 5 rep vendor 5 companion gifts Okay, so I don't get everything I want, usually at least there is enough to trade or sell to get what I do want. Right now... I opened 14 boxes... that's supposed to be 5 items each. Some had 3 some had 5 2 décor (item,npc) no pets 2 mounts (silver) a few pieces of the sand armor 3 variations of the knife 6 red crystals multiple chance cubes, opened a few to get a few mounts that may be lucky to sell for 10k some companion gifts 2 stacks of jawa junk The only thinks I'm keeping- 2 décor, one mount, companion gifts, jawa junk, maybe a crystal or two. Everything else is going AH. It's not going to sell for much either. All I want are Shae's set and as much of the Mando décor I can. Also the underworld robot. 14 packs. Older packs would have given me 70 chances to get the items I was looking for. This is absolutely stupid. We're complaining because the quality level of being willing to spend some money to get things we enjoy has gone through the floor and kept plummeting at Vision level in Civil War ....That is why we are repeatedly complaining. I doubt you're going to see any changes from us until Bioware does something about it. They may not, they may. Who knows, but as customers we have the right to complain, and will do so. okay.... are you understanding the problem?

also 2. Torian is Mando. If you're mando and the banners call, especially Mandalore, wherever you're at, you're GONE. Doesn't matter if you're with a king, queen, whatever. He'd also know Mako would be safer away from the Mando's as they're going to war.

Yes, agreed

JDiablos - so jealous XD I just want the mando stuff and the underworld pet. I need your luck.