Thank you for all your comments as they have been really helpful. I'm going to test them in following days so I'll let you what I think. Last night I had really nice dps and on my extreme joy I soloed friend who was cocky deception sin

Thx. I wanted to experiment with crit or primary stat to see what's better

I have one with 78 valor. But wanted to try something else

Thanks for tips. Especially spike one... What relics are you using? I have full conquer gear and I'm using SA and I've decided to try Devastating Vengeance (that gives crit boost). Also what is your melee accuracy? I have force accuracy 105% but melee is little bit low. I was thinking of putting an accuracy augment... I'm mostly using Resolve and Fortitude 28 augments. Highest dmg I got so far was around 800k. But I've seen people with bigger dmg on madness sins so I've wanted to ask others who play about their stuff.

I'd kindly ask you not to post if you gonna be immature troll. I've opened this thread because of damage problem I have while playing this spec. I've never said that I don't care about objectives (I said I don't care about medals) - I've just asked about certain problem I have. All the people that played with me, or against me, on my server know that I'm objective oriented and quite good with my main (and few other alts). Also, there's really big difference between playing madness sorc and madness assassin. There is a reason why people don't play madness sins. But even if inexperienced player asked question I don't really see a reason for you to behave like this. Who do you think you are?

Well, I dunno I don't wanna play deception. As I said I'm interested in playing madness/balance sin/shadow, mostly because everyone says it's ****. I usually use spike, CT, recklessness, DF, LC, (if needed one of the cc), overcharged saber, trash, trash, trash, CD, DF + dots, trash, trash .... assassinate. I usually don't use maul at all and my build is 3/7/37 (I've abandon trashing blades darkness perk for deception's insulation to get 30% boost on armor, as madness is quite squishy). Now, my problem is just that even I dot everyone and use DF on groups (usually with recklessness), stay alive (but still in middle of fight) I don't have big dmg on score board. And I don't have any problems soloing deception or darkness assassins. Even those that are not noobs.

Ok, I'm rolling my madness assassin (right now I'm not interested in others) in pvp and even I can farm medals for dps, protection, objectives, healing etc and become "invincible" almost every game... I'm not happy with my dps output (as I don't care for those stupid medals, but I wanna top the dps charts lol). So I'm interested in rotations people use and some general pvp tips, builds, gear (stalker or force master?), augments, relics etc. I really like idea of this tree, so I'd like to be better.

When you are puging you get what you get, so sometimes you can't have your 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 dps team. It's ok. I'm not asking about that. Nor about GC, because there's ignore option for a reason... I was wondering more about quality of game (i.e. do people do objectives or they are just zerging around or playing Counter Strike instead of huttball) and how often do RWZ's pop (also, is it possible to que solo?). As you could see from my op, my main problem is that people don't cooperate and play objectives. People who do that posses certain PvP quality imho. So, I'm more concerned about that... I mean, I know some people on RE who do really big dmg in WZ's (practically can solo teams with their smash) and they really know how to play their spec, but I still don't like to play with them because they don't go for objectives and we louse game while they farm their 1 mil dmg. Also, I think that BW should return PvP weekly to be wins not every game, so some problems would be solved.

I'm from EU server Red Eclipse and even this is PvE server I'm more of a PvP oriented player. I've never had any problems with PvP on my server etc. but recently I think it's becoming worst. For example, for last few weeks I'm constantly trowed into ridiculous arena teams of 2v4, I enter games that last for 10 seconds and they are already 3 caps, half of team goes node camp just to get "quick coms" (and they even write it proudly in chat) etc. I mean, this is not some "bad wz day" piss take, but something that pretty much destroys my fun playing wzs. I could also mention no ranked ques on RE... The only good thing are Oricon World PvP's every Sunday. From time to time people I've been playing wz's would left for PvP server. They were pissed with various stuff and just wanted to have better games. I've never heard if those servers actually had better PvP, but I know that one guy said that ToFN is the biggest **** ever and he stopped playing the game. Since I play mostly with my American friend I personally have one lvl 55 character on Prophecy of 5, but I haven't noticed that PvP there is any better. TBH, until I reached lvl 55 wz's I've noticed how people are more stupid when it comes to node guarding or calling or anything... So, after this little rant, I'd like to hear opinions about quality of PvP on PvP servers from people who play there.

Why do people whine all the time? There's difference between constructive criticism and whining, but half of stuff here is just nonsense (especially when op healers whine, lol!). Some people need to learn how to play with their classes and stop whining. If people would address problems in more mature manners I believe there are procedures that could help us to raise issues to devs. I'm rolling mercenary bodyguard and, even this class has serious issues and we are left out of this update, I still think it's quite playable and enjoyable.