So,i wanted to talk about two things that recently made PvP,basicaly the only thing you can busy yourself with in game,basicaly unplayable. First off : PvP is only thing i can do anymore because there's literaly no good players left in the game. Every FP,even simplest one is always a headache instead of any enjoyment,you get people in green gear,with not a slightest clue what they are doing. I get it,new players and all,but its EVERY time and it gets annoying really,really fast when you are level 20,and still overdps all the 65-70's you get in your team. Same with operations - first off,they were done billions times before,and i would still do them again,but pugs cannot understand "complex" mechanics of not standing in red or not aiming boss aoe towards the group,not to mention interupts or something of that sort. So stuck with pvp for over 4.5 years,and pretty much every day,for hours. One thing that alwasy bugged me about it: how can you make ranked games to be balanced,but normal ones not? One team always has to get 3 healers,other one zero,and those three will sure be Sorcerer/Sage,or now,Fotmando,and you cant do anything whatsoever,because enemy team wont be dying at all. Now,i mainly lost countless games because of this,but i kinda was silent about it all,because i very well know that noone will care nor take action. Come on,noone even cares that you cannot preview any armors in game for about half an year because it immediately becomes a black mess of textures and that doesnt seem to be a thing devs care to fix. But recently,it became even more unbearable when you have all the terrible players who re-rolled their Mercs and Fotmandos,going for easy kills as that class now have everything thats possible,and basicaly needs to be killed 4 times to actualy die. They might needed SOME buffing,but i guess nobody knows what subtlety is,because now you get teams of undying mercenaries destroying everything,and no matter how good or bad you are,you cannot do anything against class that has range advantage,absolute reflect that HEALS YOU,hp regen to 70% which is ridiculous,and now shield that on expiring,heals you to 100%,and ofcourse,self heals. Just go on and give them ability that insta kills people,why prolong it at all? Maybe Boss Immunity aswell. PvP was never to balanced,and i understand that,its hard to do and all. But now,there is 3 classes left in pvp when overstacking Sins/Shadows were finally fixed: Immortal juggernauts with dmg output of a dps even in tank gear,undying Sorcerrer/Sage heals and ofcourse,Mercs. Other classes cant even compete. I enjoyed playing my sniper,aswell as marauder but now its next to impossible - everyone goes for you as they know you dont have 4 lives,and you basicaly gonna be focused as soon as you leave spawn by some extra terrible merc who will simply spam Missile Blast/Explosive Round untill he heats up,then uses Vent Heat and continues to spam that single ability again. Its sad. I do 40-50 daily games and win 0-2. Now,i know there gonna be bunch of merc re-rollers "I played it since beggining m8" and other people who basicaly have no grasp of reality trying to prove that its all bad me,and they take down mercs in left and right,but reallity is,both matchmaking and balance is terrible. For some reason,i dont ever see match full of snipers,marauders or some other not overpowered classes. Yeah. And yes,i do realize that game has paid for itself and now noone cares to actualy work on it. There is 2 coders locked somewhere in the dungeon by EA,and they cant fix everything,nor they want to. But before you tell me "Quit if i hate game",its not the way nor it ever was. I love Star Wars and there is no other SW MMO,i do love SWTOR,or atleast used to,but changing community and terrible balance issues and lack of content is really sad to see. And P.S. ,if you are going to make argument "We cant balance normal wzs,ques would take forever",dont kid yourself. Even in RP servers ques are almost instant unless its 6 morning.

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So,what i wanted to do,is to clear things out for some pretty delusional people: Recently,i heard quite few individuals making arguments and asking people in the flashpoints to "Go lightside,because then we are going to get pair of Defiant lightsabers." I get it. Lightside must win,such as in movies,cliche must be upheld,more power to you. But if anyone honestly believes that getting chiss companion gonna get you two Defiant sabers,you are completely delusional and probably believe that US president is controled by alien species who are manipulating us to destroy ourselves and wear a tinfoil hat everywhere,or you just 8 years old. No,you're not getting any sabers. They either gonna be companion bound,or even if not,100% green,with no stats whatsoever,not moddable and only thing you can change,is crystal. What exactly you gonna do,get it so you can look cool and do no damage at all? What for,RP? Where do you RP with your lightsabers drawn? Not to much,i guess. But couldnt say i didnt expect such outcome,with the amount of people breaking the lore and RP'ing their "Lightside Sith" like its a thing,or desperately wanting to be a heroes and spouting most generic and cliche lines it was pretty much a certainty. Atleast one thing gonna be enjoyable,after event is over,silly people ranting in general chat how they were disappointed and betrayed,they cannot use companion's lightsabers they hoped for. Thats your reward,ironicaly,pretty much what lightside is. Bait for gullible people,lie you chose yourself to believe ignoring proof of you being wrong all around you. ^.^

Not even gonna bother trying to reason with people anymore. Perhaps,it IS not devs fault,but community being pampered crybabies who cant handle even slightest possibility of a threat. This comment section perfectly explains everything and shows what people are. "Oh no,i got flagged once and it was awful.". This is pathetic. Please cry in forums so they give PvE instances to warzones too,for those who are to afraid to die in there. Maybe we can do rap battles instead,so no overly sensitive crybabies will get upset.

I dont think its even point to react to this anymore. Its like YouTube comments section. "You are hater." "Why are you are hater". But i understand what majority of the community is,these days - new people,with no idea how game works,mostly bads,and whiners. Not even gonna mention incredibly large amount of ERP'ers. They all just want to sit in fleet,do nothing,and whine,whine,whine. Congratulations. Because of your never ending crying,game is been nerfed again and again,just because you are sad excuse of a player,and cant even beat SM op without getting in tears because mechanic are to dem hard. You cry that you raid enemy base and get flagged,OH NO,they nerf that too. You cry that you die when questing,by weak NPC's,so they give you companions that make you immortal,or of 10x more DPS than these greenhorns would ever do. Its SAD. And not insulting,if its true. Game is flooded by crybabies,just as this comment section,moaning about cruel PvP'ers who killed them once. And devs,who never cared about quality,keep nerfing everything,because braindeads cannot do anything without geting in tears. Leaving veteran players stranded,unable to do anything because someone might go boo-hoo. I recently got reported by an ERP'er for beating his team in WZ. "You cannot focus me." Maybe soon they nerf people who know how to play their classes somehow,because we hurt those noobs by being better? Thats why every good player leaving game,and you only have newbies in its place. Maybe for business model its a good trade ( And thats why nothing will ever be done abut it ),but commuity wise,you only killing the game for people who been here the longest. We get no new content,no challenging tasks,just being more and more restrained,because being to good might make some noob go boo-hoo. Nothing else needs to be said,its pathetic how many of you here try to justify this instance idiocy,with no real arguments.

If you didnt wanted to,you wouldnt be talking in the first place. I not gonna "leave". Its my post,you came here,so you are one who should leave. Regardless from how long you been here,im fairly certain that i have been here much more than you. Having account made at the times of the release,does not mean you played nearly as much as someone,or did achieved as much. So your bragging here,is even more silly. I was at the game at his release too,but wasnt really into it back then - i returned shortly before release of ROTHC. Ever since,i played everyday,for 16 + hours,cleared almost everything that game has to offer. 82 % operations,and those i lack,are mostly 16m runs,as there not ever enough people to make them. I been PvP'ing everyday,and have plenty valor 100 chars,and so on and so forth. I know the game regardless what you think. So your point about being here for so long and knowing stuff,is even more invalid. First off,if you get flagged by aoing someone,then its only because of the bug and should never happen. And even if you do and die,get the hell over it. Its a game. You died,so what? Respawn,loose the flag,and carry out with your day. No need to be huge baby about it. Stop making it like its such a big deal,you make it sound like you actualy saving someone's life in there. "Oh,there was one time. I played MMO,and first time in my life,i got killed by a player. I didnt wanted to get flagged,but i did. I think i got PTSD from this." Just stop,you're being silly. In SWTOR,PvP suffers all the time from constant nerfs and boosts,because people with no inteligence or knowledge of the game are ranting in forums all the time. And the worst kind of all,is those cowering in fear to even think about PvP. Its MMO. Its two factions,and you gotta deal with the fact that PvP is part of it. You can not participate in it,and while in my eyes,you are weirdo if you go to game like this and completely ignore huge part of it,its your choice. But you can never tell me a single fact why you shoould be allowed to raid enemy bases without way for them to fight you,which is what my post is mostly about. People like you,afraid of everything,and mostly,of any challenge,is why we got this instance idiocy now,and even more of these crybabies are gathering to cry under this post. Its sad. If you cant handle any danger at all,dont play online games. "i wanna kill dem enemies,but if they fight back,and are better than me,oh my,it hurts them feelings of mine."

There's another person who only read the title. If you not gonna read entire thread and only comment after reading title,dont even bother at all.

And they would never be. If they want to attack base,get guards or commander,they just do it in PvE zone. And all you can do is watch. Its laughable. "They dont want to PvP"? What does this crap even mean,they are IN MY BASE. You cant raid my base and not want PvP. Its not attacking someone while questing,its fighting off people raiding your base. And its ridiculous that you cannot.

Yu know,i honestly start to think people dont read anything but title before commenting. Didnt i said,base attacks? Commander runs? That,was the majority of remaining PvP,and as little as there was,it was still entertaining and made day when it happened,great. Unlike now,when it cannot happen.

First you whining,now just jumping to blind conclusions. You dont know me,nor what i do,and you are in no position to make claims about me. I dont "trick people into aoe",because first off,that is not a thing. You cant get flag by stepping in aoe,you can only get flag if you DIRECTLY attacking flagged person and aoes doesnt count. Stop whining here. I couldnt care less what you consider me to be. My point stands,and there are many people,people who play game for long time,and know it well,agrees with it. I dont have time to waste replying to people who go to online games and are deathly afraid of any PvP contact. Its like going to zoo when you are alergic to animals. If you are so afraid of any PvP,and so scared of in-game death,then my advice would be to take your... boyfriend... and go to something that doesnt even have multiplayer at all. Maybe go GTA or something,but then again,you may get killed by cop NPC,and then have to whine about it for next four years.

My biggest point,and thing i was most disappointed with,is that you can raid enemy base without a way for them to defend themselves. It was often the biggest fun and all whats left of WPvP. Now it is gone. And like guy above said,people sit in PvE instance not because they dont want PvP,but because they have option to be safe and untouched,and never be in any danger. People will always pick easiest options everywhere. And if they didnt wanted to PvP,why wz even pop then?

I dont expect bunch of whiny newbies to understand. Some people enjoy more than just siting in fleet and trolling in chat like you. Some like to actualy do something. And my biggest point,was about base raids,but i guess you,like most of those who cry here about "big bads pvpers ganking them",dont even read the post they commenting on. And you already have what you want,instance where you safe like on your mummy's lap,and noone can touch you no matter what you do. So what else do you want?

Captain Hindsight right there

Quit the crying. There was many large battles,especialy in Oricon,not to mention quite few with the conquest base raids. Dont need to give that nonsense here. The problem is,that now its not gonna happen anymore for sure.

Tsetso said it be best. And for all of you endlessly repeating "Ohh,World PvP never existed to begin with.." - do you not even read post,only title,and then comment? Because that is comment you can write if you only read the title of the thread and not even look at the entire post. My point,is that its now dead - regardless how much of it was there. I know there was much of world PvP,but there was still base raids to fight,and it was very fun,now everyone just went for easy option,and sits in PvE instance. Complete apathy. Like Tsetso said,people will always pick easy option. Its like all juggernauts will pick skanktank because its easiest way to win,and like every sorc will pick madness because its easiest thing to win with. And so everyone will pick PvE instance where they boringly do what they want with no thrill,or any slightest chance of danger. Mobs no longer are a threat,i dont even remember when i died at all. And now WPvP is killed off aswell,as little as there was of it.

And it was fun to get one of these supposed gankers who just roll with something overpowered like concealment op,to win every fight. Now,its like playing singleplayer game. If i wanted to have no challenge and just always be untouched,i'd go to COD and played on Easy.

I played PvP servers,and it was where i started,but they were mostly dead,and it was impossible to stay only there. Stop picking on that "oh no you killed flagged people" nonsense. It doesnt matter who i killed,i didnt ask about their gear or skill before i attacked them. I didnt hunt lowbies like some 40 level idiots do,but if i encountered any enemy player with flag,i attacked,and it was great. I was with flag,and i was attacked plenty of time aswell. It was the thrill. How many time i had fun fighting off much larger force attacking our base,trying to get commanders. My point,is that changing PvP Flag to PvP Instance,was horrible idea,and it completely finished off as much world pvp as there was.

I didnt say i dont like it,but i much more prefer thrill of being attacked anytime. And you cannot tell me single reason why PvP Flag should be replaced with this instance BS. And you can in no way justify that now you can raid enemy base and they cant defend it. It was great when yoou could get flagged for such things. Now everyone just sits there in PvE instance,and PvP one has like 3 at max. Set up PvP is better than nothing,but you can never get same joy as jumping two flagged people,getting them both and then enjoying the rage.

Instances on Oricon... what? Once they made heroics a thing,daily areas like Oricon has 0 players in them. You can never find anyone there,neither PvE,nor PvP instance. And Yavin slicing was nerfed so much,that its same there. And where is fun in organising everything? I was never killing lowbies,because i mainly dont play in PvP server,but i loved to fight force raiding my base or trying to get commander. Now its all gone. Besides,when its all organised,you will never get genuine reactions from people which is often so hilarious. Besides,people are never interested in joining such things anyway. Everyone rather sit in fleet and troll.

I know no devs gonna read nor care even if they do,but i'll post it anyways. Im probably late on this topic,but just recently i really had enough of it. So,being completely blunt - your "PvE - PvP" instance idea is a JOKE. Not a funny one. Developers here,care less and less about people who do PvP. Not gonna get into all the problems,because i would be writing this for days,just to mention incredibly awful balance,terrible matchmaking and other stuff,but i not gonna get into it. What i wanna say,is about WPvP. Swtor never had much of world PvP because developers never encourage it. First,by idioticaly killing off Illum's PvP event,which was awesome,then,by never giving quests/rewards for doing it,or organizing any events that would encourage it. Now,when they brought in conquest,it changed a tiny bit - people started actualy attacking bases. And there was some of fun to be had,but then,BAM,and they added this stupid "Instance" bs. Good job. Good job. Just,amazing. Are you serious? You can raid enemy base AND THEY CANT ATTACK YOU. Because,"PvE instance." You kidding me with this? Noone ever goes in PvP instance. Its dead. Always. Like 2-3 people,maximum. congratulations. They can raid my base,and i cant even intervene. I know there is gonna be whiners who will say "Oh,i just doing it for conquest,and attacking me is harrasing." Well,your point is invalid. First off,base guards are incredibly weak. Just,crap. You can easily solo 2-4 of them. More if you tank. And if there is group that has a healer and tank,they cant even put scratch. And now,i cant even interfere,i have to watch,and do nothing. You kidding me? Noone ever goes in pvp instance,because whiny noobs love to sit in PvE one and trash talk,when in PvP one they would not be able to last 10 seconds. Its very fun,really. Before,we had PvP servers,now,we got nothing,lost even this small chance of getting good WPvP fun. This is the worst idea ever,and you could not have done worse. Beside all that nerfing everything,Ops,FP's,giving Op companions,making game more and more for 5 year olds,who never like any challenge,any possibility of fight or thrill. So good job to you. And for those who gonna cry in comments saying that im salty: yes,yes i am. They making game less and less fun with these stupid changes. Even Gree no longer has any PvP,thanks to this bs. So this is my opinion,and if you gonna make points about "attacking enemy players raiding your base is harrasment,boo-hoo",then dont even bother.

Really? They are just as assassins,just without all overpowered stuff,such as stun immunity,shroud and teleport. They are very balanced. Fact that they have stealth makes their defenses weak, hit and run class,which is completely fair. Good operative is formidable enemy,but clearly,way not the "Top 1 vs 1 class " you talking about here. What they have that makes them op? Nothing. Annoying,maybe,but not op.

Oh,so now snipers op,yes? "Your real 1v1 threats are Sorcs, PT's, Concealment OPs, and MM snipers." Maybe can even beat poor,weak,underpowered sins? When last time you been in game, at 1.2 ? I'v heard nonsenses,but you just topped them all. Oh,wait. "You can do everything if you know what you doing" right? Please,organize for me duel,where you beat sin as sniper. I desperately want to see.

Haha,yeah. Answer pretty much as expected. "Blah blah they are easy to kill" , "Blah blah everyone can kill poor sins,now they need boosting". Well,what to expect from sin player. Because admiting truth would hurt badly,realizing that every fight you won with that class,it was class,not you. You say you can kill them? I dont say they are immortal,and if they are dumb enough to waste cd's,or use skills imporperly,such as exist stealth with Electrocute,ofcourse you can kill them,killed sins with marauder,and sorcerer,and merc,but its not the point. Everyone can kill newbies. Probably even undergeared or without augments. Even then its not so easy. And deceptions sins who have right setup and rotation,most op 1 vs 1 class in whole game,and keeps getting buffed. Dont bother answering,i know "You just bad,and sins are weak". Keep telling yourself that

No,i dont believe you... operatives is ones of easiest classes to kill. Pt's not that easy,but i'd rather fight two pt'sthan assassins... they can be dealth with.

Will gladly duel you,and you can find out. Kisses!