I already explained why I think I am forced to do pvp but will try one more time... since spending 1.X million / cmt, farming opening hundreds of Command crates and/or joining a guild in order only to do more pointless grind conquest aren't really viable alternatives to PVP and that why I think i am forced to do PVP. i may get antagonistic to ppl who cant / wont understand that i'm not trying to find out more ways to get cmt's and that i'm trying to point out that the way things are now are not ok which is : that you should not have grind for weeks/months just to augment gear in order to play end game PVE. And again, i'm not talking about the grind for the actual gear. I've been playing swtor since before ilum came out and I've seen a lot of eras, and that is why i realize that eras change and if i have a problem with the current one i am stating it here. ps...@khevar...you should get off your high horse my friend.... you are not the keeper of truth, giver of justice or the all knowing higher being you think you are

so the conclusion of what most of you are saying it that it's ok to have to grind for a few weeks or months to fully augment a toon....I would like to emphasize "to augment", not talking about getting gear. Getting gear is a whole other story in which I don't want to get into. I keep reading replies from people that "CMT's are not so hard to come bye", "that you can get without stressing to much", "that they have load of them even unused" , etc. to those people I would like to ask how much time it took to get the mats for one toon or how much time do they play daily? for players that do only SM ops or the occasional KP or EV HM I can understand that there is no problem....for me it's a bit different...I enjoy the game most when I do the hardest stuff around and because of that in need to get the best gear available...I find that it's not ok that just to augment, just to augment (repetition intended) a toon I have to get mats by either doing a lot PVP and/or farming huge amounts of CXP or creds. seriously, the time I have free to play the game I want to spend it doing the things I like in the game and not be forced to do bot like runs of content. I think the grinds should be for special armor sets, mounts, decos, tittles and other non gameplay stuff

"you can easily earn a million a night doing dailies" - ok...but you need at least 70 millions i'm not looking for mindless solutions to a stupid problem....and when I say mindless I mean mindless heroics, dailies grinding for 70 mil creds / toon for augments....cant anyone see how wrong it is to spend that amount of time on getting mats just for augmenting gear?????? I think it's the 4th time i'm gonna say this : the end game PVE shouldn't be about grinding 70 mil creds or 1000 command crates to augment gear for nim/master ops. The focus should be on getting gear from doing hard stuff and not mindless grinding. I think mindless grinding is why players are being driven out of the game. after grinding the beauty of the game fades away and u search something else.

1. I think you are forgetting ear, implants and relics 2. again ang again I don't think that fully augmenting a toon in weeks or months of grinding command crates it's how it's supposed to be.

no my friend, I am just saying that augmenting with 240's a toon in months of grinding command crates it's not how it supposed to be and it's not viable. Especially for ppl who only have a few hours per day to play to grind over 1000 command crates and over 70 mills in order to do end game PVE.... the grind should be end game PVE, trying to kill that nim boss, not doing PVP or mindless heroics and dailies just to get the augments for the gear that you need...it is just my opinion

to continue my though, u need like 56 CMT's to fully augment a toon with 240's 1. command crates - with a drop rate of bellow 5% for CMT's you would need over 1000 command crates 2. TR PVP - 7 dailies and 1 weekly mean about 13 CMTs per week 3. GTN - 1.3 mil is the lowest I've seen a CMT go for..... so that means u need over 70 mil for 56 CMT's that is why I said that you are forced to play TR PVP since grinding over 1000 command crates and spending over 70 mils is not really viable imho before 5.10 the only viable way to get CMT's was by doing TR PVP, which ment from 10 - 20 TR matches for a weekly....with the new changes u need 10 - 50 matches to get weekly done for TR mats and again ...I'm referring to CMT's, not crystals, not comms, not anything else

u need like 56 CMT's to fully augment a toon with 240's so gearing with command crates, with a drop rate of bellow 5% for CMT's, you would need over 1000 crates....i think it's clear who is delusional

i did not open this thread to talk about 252/258 gearing…..that is quite straight forward.... when i talk about "mats for augs" i mainly refer to CMT's... and those, as far as i know, come only from TR group/solo PVP and command crates …and who thinks can get enough CMTs to fully augment a toon from command crates is delusional the only viable/real/ way to get CMT's is only by doing ranked PVP - that is the problem

Why should a PVE player be forced to do PVP??? This was the question I posed myself, about 2 months ago immediately after coming back to the game after an one year brake and wanted to get back into end game PVE-ing, because, surprise, to get BIS augs for your min maxed PVE gear u need mats that you get only by doing ranked PVP. Even though i found idiotic the idea that getting BIS augs for your gear was seriously harder than to get the actual gear itself, my answer at the time was that "hey, u can get past this, they are only trying to get more people into PVP-ing, to fix somehow the lack of interest that I remembered was shown towards this activity "....and I said ok, i am a decent PVP-er, even though i don't really enjoy pvp-ing i can tolerate 2-4 matches per day in order to get those idiotic mats. I was ok with being cannon fodder for the serious TR teams and was willing make an effort when facing teams in TR for the mats like me. But wait surprises are coming once again... with 5.10 the daily TR need 10 points and the weekly 50 which means that in normal day u must do 2-10 team ranked matches and in a week 10-50 matches !!!! Considering also that the wait time for getting into a TR match has seriously increased since the new patch i find it simply wrong to continue this way any longer …. for a 50% win rate you would have to play about 30 matches per week....if you multiply that with 10 mins which is an average waiting time and to get into TR combined with the actual match time it is obvious that u need 300 mins - 5 hours per week lost for the average player Again i understand and i'm ok with the need to keep TR alive by forcing PVE players to do a little PVP from time to time but to force them to waste so much time in activities that they don't enjoy is beyond my comprehension... By this post i hope you seriously start thinking this PVE gearing through PVP stuff. it's simply not OK to force PVE-ers in PVP just to get their min maxed end game PVE gear.