I just TOR and have not participated in pvp yet, but im looking forward to it, my last 3 years in SWG i only logged on to pvp and i enjoyed it until the time when the servers went almost empty. Now ive lurked in the forums for a bit and im a bit confused, are people really up in arms against people who group up and communicate togheter? Isn't that kind of the best part of pvp, to fight in an organised group where every member knows their role and all of the people work towards achieving clearly defined goals? Some poster said that the game needs to be fun, but in my opinion fun has many layers to it, the most fun that i have ever had in pvp is when the eventual victory has come with alot of organising, planning, team building and effective leadership. The impression i get reading these forums about pvp in this game, is that most people want a more quicker, easier and shallower pvp, which in itself is not wrong, its totally fine to get your quick fix by just jumping in and out with people you don't know and maybe will not see ever again, but that kind of pvp is not for me. Putting in effort to do something better should be rewarded, it pushes others to become better aswell, so in my mind disorganised group losing to organised groups should be the norm and its the first time i have ever seen an argument about something like this. Or maybe im getting the wrong impression, since like i said i just started with this game and havent had the chance to check out the pvp firsthand.