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First of all this whole 20/80% is a made up number and I will not try to argue about something neither one of us know....might as well argue over number of stars or argue over evolution vs creation vs alien involvement..
I am so glad you know when I log on and when/what I play, I mean I am fairly certain I know what I am doing when I get on better then you do so pro keep calling me a liar about how I play..
I only call people trolls that repeat the same thing based on "feelings" not fact and refuses to counter valid points made by those who oppose them. Your just spreading misinformation to back your hollow claims' date=' and I would also say it scares away potential customers...[/quote']You call people trolls because you have nothing worthy of posting except insults. What scares away potential customers away are when they see that the community of players constently insultbecause they have nothing to stand on.
Question:well it's not really a question, but rather a insult and stating something is true and that others need to own up to your "belief" and that the bad evil people live to ruin poor defenseless players that don't group. But here we go anyway,
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No I won't admit to what you want to believe, fact is BW made this game the way it is and I understand that if I want to win and get comms faster I need to group up with people that also want to win and gear faster. I also happen to like playing with long time friends and meet new people. And yes if BW could add cross sever ques I would be more than happy to have some ques filtered based more on skill balance.
There short as I can make it with all the assumptions made it that statement or what you happen to call a question. But please pick at that one so I can try to give more insight that you seem to lack about people who like to play together in a MMO-TEAM based game play.
And of course I love the whole "they cater to the casuals because that's were the moneys at" Oh yeah? would you be here crying if that were true? and everything from that point on is opinion and based off what you want to believe to make yourself feel justified for asking a large portion of players to go play in the corner because this game is ours attitude. I'm guessing you will not respond again or maybe you'll just repeat no one admits to ruining your gaming and you can't be troubled to put effort in to change the situation as others do.
One last thing to ponder, you think maybe there are a lot of premades around because people did not leave but instead wised up and grouped up? just a thought.
Maybe you should log on to any other MMO sorry but in the 20 years of playing them there has always always been the elitists vs the PUGs... it will always exists and yes look it and ask around anyone will tell you that there are more solo casual people that play on these games then the elites. And F2P would never of happened if people didn't quit but nice try saying "they all must have grouped up." that makes me
. All you can do is insult and pretend that you know everything right down to me and when I log in and how often I group it's rather cute. I also enjoy that your idea of an MMO is "everyone must play in premade groups" *clap* there have always been and always will be PUG's and unless I am mistaken the G means groups, which means PUG's are still doing the MMO thing as much as you hate on it. -
sounds good me.
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We are talking about people playing a game, who lose mainly due to a lack of effort (wether you like it or not, grinding, teaming, and "skill" are all measures of effort) and then give up.
Lack of effort isn't always the case, i do agree there are some sloths on the game. They are on both sides though. The PUGer that expects everything to be given to him and when he gets into a match goes to node and sits on it never moving and rakes in the comms. Then you have the premader guy has absoulutly no skill but hides behind the rest of his group awith 2 healers healing him thinks he is a God among men, putting forth no effort by leeching from his team.
My first Char hit level 50 and immediately I saved up enough comms to get all the BM visable gear and put augments into it all. I play smart and do what I can to better whatever class I am playing. I am constently checking out builds for my classes and seeing how other people play to see if I can learn something new. I however tend to lose a lot more then I win. It's not because I am a horrible player and it's not always because I am paired with horrible players. It's That i get outclassed when it comes to my PUG team VS the premade team. It's like any sport you can have a star player but it doesn't matter if the rest of the team is crap. (not saying I am the best of the best, far from it but I take pride in that I am good and get commented on it.) But to get in a decent premade isn't easy as you all make it out to be especially if you have only been playing for 2 months why you may be asking because most premades/guilds are set in how they are and you have to meet their criteria.
1. You aren't the right AC
2. You don't have the Gear
3. We already got our people.
4. You are a commando.
So I lose and drive on doing solo ques and maybe someday I will catch up with the "requirements" but it has nothing to do with lack of effort. has to do with elites being elites and wanting to keep it that way.
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Also, please note the death of PvP in the above example (PuG's Stop Playing due to...) comes from the PuG's giving up first, not the Premades. <.< Wouldn't that mean PuG's killed PvP?
No, It's like this Abraham Lincoln got shot in the head, Who's fault is it? Booth who pulled the trigger, maybe the gun or bullet?
Booth = premades
Gun = messed up PVP system
Bullet = PUG's
Lincoln = actual PVP
Premades use faulty system to dominate (Booth using a gun to get what he wants.) Eventually the majority of people will leave the game the majority are PUGS (The bullet leaves the gun because Booth pulled the trigger.) The eventuality of it is no more PVP for all because no one ques anymore. What once was good is no more because of a small group that wanted everything to be thier way (Booth (premade) wants it to be his way an no one elses because he doesn't like how the country is, he makes a plot gets a gun (the faulty PVP system) and uses it to his advantage. The bullet leaves the gun because Booth pulled the trigger forcing the bullet to leave (PUG's forced to leave because the PVP aspect is completely 1 sided and not worth playing.) Now Lincoln is dead because the minority got what they wanted (No more PUG's = longer Ques = the game bleeds out and dies.)
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ps. if you're not sure which side don't want things to change, the next time you queue solo and go against a PreMade, isolate someone on the other side. Go 1 on 1. You'll find out real quick which side is frantically lobbying against a fix, and why.
I am about 85% PUG 15% group. Try and take me 1v1. I built my merc around being a target. People look at me and think "Hey it's a merc and I am blah blah" because mercs are the worst PVP class because of utility. that's where skill comes in. I enjoy finding that one guy that is basicly being carried by his premade and thinks he is so good and getting him to pull noob mistakes, like chasing me down. If I am going to get PUGstomped I am going to find that one or 2 idiots, and farm them just like the premades are farming my team.
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I have no issues taking down people on my merc. I do think they are underpowered in comparason to other classes as far as utilities go. I have a specific job set that I do well with. I am excellent 1v1 and tend to draw noobs away from nodes or doors (voidstar) because they think "It's just a merc and I am a maurader" i just burn them down in a couple of seconds, one less person on the battlefield for that team. Sometimes I can get 3 people to follow me and leave a node completely undefended and I just run around. I fully understand I will eventually die but I make it take as long as possible gives my team a much better chance to take the nodes. Same thing on defense, I can hold people off long enough to get reinforcements when that 2-3 guys tries to cap my point. I may not put out the dmg but I have some wicked endurance and make sure people have to give me everything to drop me.
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Nice lol... and as expected. The hardcore are the people that stick around and pay subs and now also buy coins because they plan to be around and don't threaten to leave at anything that disturbs casuals no work and all play mentality. What your complaining about is something that has been cried about for years in many games and is nothing new.
And again I explained my view pretty clearly on your question, please feel free to re-read it and maybe comment on it. Ignoring it only makes me believe your are to lazy to or lack any come back "troll" response.
Throwing assumptions around about how many feel your way and how many feel my way is just how you feel about the current state of the game, there's no actual fact other than some agree with you and some don't.
And one last note: I find it really hard to believe that it takes 24 games to win one, I pug a lot to and it's never been that bad or even close. What server are you on? Repub or imp? Think anyone would disagree with you if you actually posted that info?
EDIT: Also feel free to ask that question in different ways and that don't sound like your mind is already made up. Or make a mock scenario to fine tune it if you think I dodged something. I promise to keep tabs on the thread. But time for my "easy mode" I guess
It's a pretty simple question and no you haven't answered it you have danced around it why do you belive the top 20% deserve an easy mode but the other 80% doesn't? Your answer is simply "your a troll" and "read my ramblings" that in no way answer the question. Even if it's a tard response like "I worked to get where I am so I should be able to slaughter lesser people" that would be an answer. It only requires 1 maybe 2 sentences but you have to fill up an entire page and expect me to have a decoder ring to figure out what saying. Also you are dead wrong, games cater to the "casual gamers" as was pointed out before, because at the end of the day they make up most of the money that is going to BW.. The casual gamers are more likey to buy cartel coins in order to get things such as the +41 crystals because it's an easy way to give them a little more bang when it takes them 4x as long to get the gear the pugstompers get.
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uhh look up maybe?
Not really, you like all the hardcore premade or die people dance around the subject rather then give stright answers. If you want a close game because it's so much funner then go against other premades which would give you a lot closer games (like has been suggested over and over.) It's not some "casuals" that do not like the system it's mostly across the board that the system is ****ed up. It's the casuals (who make up most of the player base) who want it to be as even as it can be, so that the "casuals" who make up most of the player base aren't getting beaten 24 out of 25 times. So yes all games eventually cater to the "casual" gamers (who make up most of the revenew, through subs and now a CStore) because if they didn't games would be very short lived. So call me what you will and dance around a completely legit question as all others who think the game should be built around the top 20%.
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None of you want to admit that PUGstomping is your easy mode and you don't want that advantage taken from you.
The question that is always avoided....
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lol only thing killing regular warzones are the masses of bads.
The bads come in all flavors though. Seen them on PUGs and seen them on premades. It's fun when one on a premade team memebers thinks he is a ****** because he has a team holding his hand, and he decides to break off from a node and go after me as I am passing by in the distance thinking "it's a merc I killed him before when I had 2 healers healing me." then gets completely pwned inside of about 3 secs. Premades tend to hide behind one another which is fine by me (kind of the point) but as a PUGer I am use to throwing down with 3 players at once when it's just a 1 sided stompfest, so when that one guy thinks he is the **** cause he won last time cause he had 2 healers healing him and tries fight me one on one.... it's a rude awakening and I make it my personal mission to pick him out, suck him into the open and kill him over and over. Hell I might as well farm medals off killing that one guy 20 times, if the premade group is doing the same thing to my team.
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Lol, what do you want us to do? We queue for ranked all the time but either there's noone queueing or people queue dodge us. If we can't play ranked what do you want us to do then, stay out of normal warzones altogether? Sorry, but we want to play PvP and have fun too. We realized that the best way to win in this game is to make friends and form premades. I advise you to do the same and stop blindly accusing us of wanting to pugstomp, because we'd rather be playing other premades in ranked.
In my short time on the server I have heard nothing bad bad things about you guys, none of my handful of experiences on the PUGstomed side have changed it. We all know you make 2 groups then que with each other to give yourself the best chances of being on the same team so you can medal farm and PUGstomp. I personally would leave a game against you in a RWZ just out principle. no one likes playing against *******'s that like to ruin the game for everyone else.
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I Think some people like to complain and love to play victim when all they have to do is get a group together. If they are a victim then it's always "The Man" keeping them down and since they don't try they won't fail at that to. Sorry but BW is not the government and you will not be getting your solo que or free WH on the first of the month.
And if your so mad, form a group and come get me. Oh wait that would be work and unfair for me to ask you to do. But I'm on the Shadowlands server Republic side, Name: Alen and Pezz. Come exact some revenge if you ever feel like you need to.
It was ligitamate statement. I do both, I group with some friends now and then when they are on and I also PUG. But all the Elitists can say is "L2P", "Group up like us" and "you just want easy mode." You all do just as much QQ as the PUGers do. None of you want to admit that PUGstomping is your easy mode and you don't want that advantage taken from you.
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So you want someone to join a guild. Alright to all you solo queuers out there, apply to the best or one of the best PVP guilds on your server.
Wait...they won't take you? Why?
1. You aren't the right AC
2. You don't have the Gear
3. We already got our people.
4. You are a commando.
Yup you offered some valid suggestions, it's a shame they don't actually work. I'm glad you admit that Gear> Skill as far as pvp goes though.
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Exactly doesn't matter how well I play, I see it in general all the time "Forming a group, must be well geared." Guess I should just sit on nodes to collect the max amount of comm's possible from the PUG stomping so I can have gear and be a ****** player if that's what it takes to actually join a group then I can build up my skills.
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Fact : Regular warzones don't belong to solo players...It's for everyone.
I could go on but getting through to these types are a waste of time. they just want easy mode death match with out responsibility of TEAM play on a MMO
So solo WZ's belong to all and RWZ's belong to the elite... got it. The elites and premades get /easy mode with PUG stomping and PUGs get **** on repeatedly? There is the elitiest mentality at it's finest. You claim you want fair matches then do the RW. your only excuse is the ques take to long because no one is doing them... There is a reason for that... because it's faster and EASIER to pugstomp which in essence means you have an /easy mode, and why would you want that advantage to disappear?
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Except, you can not queue an 8 man team for regular WZs. Two 4 man teams from the same guild can queue at once, but it is just as likely that they will end up with 4 PuGs instead of their other 4 man guild team.
If you did run into 8 members from the same guild, then it probably means that there were extremely few people queuing up to PvP.
it's not hard to do they just Que up at the same time, as said several times in this thread. Let's say your in a guild you got 8 guys ready to go, you make your 2 groups and que at the same time. The odds are relatively high that they will be tossed on the same team because it's faster. The "random match making" that the game has isn't very random it grabs what is the fastest and easiest in the order it was qued. It's faster to grab two 4 man groups and toss some extra's on the other side then to split the two 4 man teams into two seperate games and then wait to find even more people.
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In the last 2 days I have recorded fighting against 5 guilds on my server that can field a full RWZ team but chose to enter the solo que instead and completely decimated the PUG side. If I wasnt running into the same 4-8 man premade teams on a constant baises then I wouldn't have as big of a complaint. It seems like almost every match I play is a rotation of stunfest or smash rotation from a bunch of people in the same guild.
enter match one: 8 man guild
enter match 2: 8 man guild, different from the first
enter match 3: 4 man premade
enter match 4: the first guild again
enter match 5: a new 8 man guild, different from the first 2
enter match 6: 4 man premade.
enter match 7: na I have taken enough pug stomping for the day just like the other people I played with so congrats on killing the que a little bit.
That was my night tonight I had 3 guilds pugstomping, that's just from the pubs side I have no idea how many guild are doing it from the Empire side as I didn't play any Empire groups. Then last night I had 2 other guilds doing the same thing, I was alternateing between them it seemed like til I quit. So I know it's not that the RWZ don't work, it's people would rather /easymode for comms, and turn around an say PUGers are trying to get the same thing so shame on them.
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Since WZ's are pretty much the end game content. Yes they need more maps/game types.
But only if they are nothing like huttball..... Win or lose I despise it.
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Please provide direct quotes where I do not follow these 3 basic points (or as you say "flip-flop").
1) Need Better Matchmaking.
2) Need cross server queue's.
3) People should use all options to better their own lot, before asking the system to bend for them. (Self-reliance, which doesn't refer to playing by themselves.)
Otherwise, that's an unfounded accusation.
Those 3 things you do stick with it's the rest that is garbage.
<.< Can't ask someone to do something you won't.I can't ask you to play with premade groups right... but it's ok for you to tell me I have to play against premade/groups and in order to win more matches I have to make a group? That is basicly telling me how to play no matter how you try to spin it.
Premade/Group players are sick of players asking for welfare. No one cares about you, no one is looking out for you. Look out for yourself, or get eaten.That's right no one does care... wait they do care because most of the game is PUGers, and it's actually the 15-20% of players or the "elitists" that don't care because life is good for them so f everyone else right? Like I said before let BW poll the game not the forums that the "elites" prowl like ghosts in a haunted house and you will see how wrong you are. The ques slowing down, the server merges, the F2P are all reasons of this. PUGers do care how ****** it has gotten and are leaving the game. Who do you think will pay for this... not them they moved on to better things, it's you that will suffer.
*Sighs* Ranked is an exhibition place. It is not a practice ground. Again, you do not go to a Tournament to practice Magic, you go to your local game store. If BW wanted to make Ranked the home of the premades, they would have allowed 4-man queuing and put a sign saying "Premades, go here.".So premade groups not having a premade que that wouldn't mess with their rankings and I dunno give them more comms for example would just be to extreme for practice that means PUGstomping is the practice ground?
As I said you preach fairness but now and then you let the "I am better then you beause I do premades" slip out. I still don't see how your version of fairness is forcing PUGs to compete against premades but giving premades the option of playing each other or not.... because that's exactly what 2 ques would do either you PUG or you don't.
tough to find everything with this many pages on here I am sure there are more.
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The fact that you compare FPS games to an MMO is just hilarious. And last I checked, you can talk to anyone on your team in Halo 3 or MW2 if you have a headset. Everyone is in voice chat by default. Not true in an MMO. You need a voice program and a server and everyone else needs the info. Good luck spamming it before match starts. Even better luck getting people to actually join. Also consider the player pool of Halo vs. 1 SWTOR server. That's comparing a fishbowl to the ocean. .
I will help out on this one if you want. these games have ingame voice chat... I belive Everquest 1 (since I listed Everquest 2) also has in game voice chat if you turn it on.
Lunia Chronicles http://gamelist.mmosite.com/g/lunia-chro…
An action-packed arcade game that you can feel with your fingertips by manipulating the keyboard to issue commands for an unlimited number of combination attacks. Harmony between essential RPG elements such as character growth, community system and arcade game action.
Soul of the Ultimate Nation
http://gamelist.mmosite.com/g/soul-of-th…
SUN - Soul of the Ultimate Nation is an action RPG game developed by Korean studio Webzen. Currently, it is undergoing open beta testing in Korea. Considering that Sun enjoys more Asian features in regard to its design and style in its three MMOGs scheduled to be released in North America and Europe this year, Webzen has set out to adjust some contents of Sun to cater to the tastes of European and US players.
EVE Online http://feature.mmosite.com/eve/
EVE is a massive multiplayer online game (MMOG) set in a science-fiction based, persistent world. Players take the role of spaceship pilots seeking fame, fortune, and adventure in a huge, complex, exciting, and sometimes hostile galaxy.
EverQuest II http://gamelist.mmosite.com/g/everquest-…
EverQuest II is the next generation of massively multiplayer gaming, a huge online world where friends have come together for adventure and community. Featuring breathtaking graphics and vast, beautiful and dangerous game world to explore, EverQuest II sets the standard for graphical realism as players are immersed in the game's exciting locales and mysterious lands.
Dungeons and Dragons Online
http://gamelist.mmosite.com/g/dungeons-_…
The bustling frontier city of Stormreach, a cauldron of ambition and secret plots, has grown safe and secure as the only gateway to the riches of Xen'drik. But now danger threatens! Few explorers who set out adventuring the lands ever return, and those that do bring back only tales of death and destruction
shall I continue? or is that enough?
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Dude you really need to get over the idea that everyone that beats you, is doing it just to hurt your feelings.
It's competition, we all want to win.
Sometimes good players queue up alone, and win 1/2 the time. Sometimes good players find 3 other good people to queue up with and win most of the time. Sometimes bad people find 3 good people to queue up with and win most of the time. Sometimes bad people queue up with 3 other bad people and lose most of the time. Sometimes bad people queue up alone, lose all the time, and then come on the forums and say if good people want to play together they shouldn't be allowed in "your" warzone.
If you're good, find 3 other people and queue up with them. If you're bad, youre still going to be bad if you hide from people that are better than you. Stop pretending people have some obligation to not beat you, just because you "want" to win.
The point in that was that Doom flip flops badly. One sec, is all for fairness and you can't tell people how to play then next she is saying f you PUG's deal with losing or PLAY HOW I PLAY... . lol it's the deffinition of ironic. Yeah Doom has some good idea's but as several people have pointed out she has some really bad ones that would just keep us in the same place we are now, and when called out on the crap ones she flip flops then gets called out and flip flops back.
I don't care if I get beat honestly lol. That's the funny part that you seem to be missing getting beat is part of any game undenably however getting beat over and over no matter what gear you have kills any enjoyment someone has in the game... that means... hold on for it... LESS PEOPLE TO PLAY AND THEN NO MORE GAME. you all really need to look into the future rather then the now. I am more concerned with no ques and a dead game then if I get beat, maybe you should do the same and think more about what you want... a dead game because you PUGstomp every match or a game that starts building a bigger player base and gets better with time.
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One, ranked doesn't pop if part of the 8 man is in a warzone.QUOTE]
Sorry had to point this one out. This is you defending premades PUGstomping. Earlier you said people wait a long time in ranked before they would drop to a regular que.... That would mean at least one of them didn't, however I am betting neither of them did because ranked is dead and why do that when you can PUGstomp right.
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One, ranked doesn't pop if part of the 8 man is in a warzone. Perhaps that's a flaw that needs to be worked out to relieve some of the "premades in non-ranked."
Onto the fun part:
No, I'm pretty sure I've remained constant around 3 points:
1. Need cross-server queue.
2. Need better matchmaking.
3. People need to be more self reliant.
Any reference to "fixing" the actual system, (which yes, is admiting it is not only imperfect, but could be harming the overall health of the game) will result in points 1 and 2.
Any crying, complaining, or appeal to "Why can't I play my way?" will result in point 3. As I've said over and over, if a commando is wearing strength armor they can do as they like, but they should expect to lose/suck. Same goes true for those who think PuG-only (everyone has to PuG at some point, so I don't mean every PuG) should/is a viable option is playing wrong, and should expect to lose/suck.
1) Agree better match making.
2)Cross server que... never going to happen so I don't know why people are fixated on this....
3) self reliant... which would be relying on yourself not a GROUP... so that means PUGs are more self reliant in some ways then Premades.
I go back to what I said before. You believe in better match making, if that match making means that people can do as they are doing now. Example 2 groups or 4 que at the same time and have a good chance of being together PUGstomp, cause odds are they are on the same side. which goes back to the facts I posted ealier that the servers are all one sided, because people hate to lose and side with the group that has more premades in an attempt to win. On my server almost all of the premades I encounter are on the pubs side, also I seem to see a lot of the same people over the past month PVPing on the Empire side and a slue of different names and guilds on the pubs side. There is no fair match making system unless you alot so many healers/tanks/dps on each side and then toss in a gear filter.... you want to talk about a long que, that would be a very long one. The closest you will ever get to giving everyone a challenge is to seperate the ques. There are lots of games that do this allow for people to randomly get pushed into groups or teams. You continue to say PUGers are crying, we are cause we want a challenge not a spanking 85% of the time. You keep saying there is no excuse to split the 2 but really what is the excuse not to? because the que will be longer... oh no wait an extra 10mins to get into a game. That just shows a very very bad elitiest attidue.
Everytime you comment on something there is an underlying message, You think it's ok for premades to destroy PUGs over and over if it keeps the que time down... well guess what... the que time is going to go up drasticly when people stop quing. Then the outcome that has been stated many times will happen premade will fight premades and there will be barely any PUGs. So splitting the que, while this will raise the que time a little, in the end will allow for two decent ques rather then one ****** one and a dead game. Of course I belive you said you would rather the game ends in one post. It's a give some take some issue and you need to realize this both sides will lose something but gain something as well.
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Chances are, they were in the ranked queue with no opponent.
That being said:
Normal Premade = 4 man group.
Ranked Premade = 8 man group.
See the numerical difference here? Not to mention premades choosing to not play ranked is the same decision you've made. Do you play ranked? Nope. So you really can't complain about others not doing it.
I highly, highly doubt that you don't run into back to back 8 man premades because the que just decided "hey, i am not going to match these 2 groups together that have been waiting for ranked for 2 hours for ***** and giggles." I still haven't decided what exactly you want... one sec your preaching even matchmaking, the next your all about premades can do what they want and PUGstomp cause they choose to just like you choose to not do ranked. reading what your write on here is as painful as watching the elections, the canidates flip flop and dance around everything trying to appear smart. Ranked was made so that groups of 8 could play groups of 8... more or less guild level yet here they are still tooling around in the solo Que.... yet all you can say is... "they chose to so quite crying"... ok I choose to play against other PUGs, where is my option for that?? I can probably type your response to this post myself with how much you talk on here, my biggest question would be which post to type. The "we need even matchmaking" or the "they choose to do it just like you can choose to do ranked." The point is that the 10% of Elitists get to choose how PVP goes? Screw the other 90%?
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But to constantly brainstorm for a "system" by which people who aren't very good at PvP, still get to win a lot, is an exercise in futility. There is already a system in place, it's called 'getting better', and grouping up with people who are decent. It's ironic that in trying to invent a system by which people can win more often, the first thing people come up with is abolishing the only proven system to do just that.
Or you could... get this... use the rank system that's why it is there and don't give me crap about how long the que is for that, because that is the premades choice to not do ranked. So if you can choose to not play premade vs pre made why can I not choose to play PUG vs PUG? The last 2 matches I just played guess what both times the entire other team was a guild. I decided I would start writeing down the guild names that I see that have enough to field an entire 8 man team. Of course even then I would only see who is doing this on the pubs side for the most part since I am empire.
. All you can do is insult and pretend that you know everything right down to me and when I log in and how often I group it's rather cute. I also enjoy that your idea of an MMO is "everyone must play in premade groups" *clap* there have always been and always will be PUG's and unless I am mistaken the G means groups, which means PUG's are still doing the MMO thing as much as you hate on it.
Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones
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It's always "you can do more" everyone can always "do more" so that is a lousy excuse. Your right no one forces me to que. it's either that or quit. what would you like for me to do? hurt the que or continue to get smoked. Now imagine that on a larger scale. The reasons I listed are completely valid as I see it in general all the time "looking for WELL GEARED players for a group." I don't complain about anyone being OP or boo hoo this and that I simple say some people do not have the option for whatever reason. This thread wouldn' be this long if there wasnt a problem and everyone was happy.
I am curious as to how long you have been playing because I get the feeling you have been around for awhile back when everyone one was trying to make guilds and get people to join them.those times have passed the only guilds that form up are the random person that asks for people to join just so they can have a guild tag then they boot everyone or the established that want nothing to do with you unless you are topish teir.