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Dareich

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  1. I believe he was referring HK appearance on Galaxies game. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
  2. An interesting question. Very interesting indeed. Thank you very much for asking that one. I've come up with some explanations, mostly conjectures, but that I hope with time can be proved and based on solid lore. One possibility is that the answer would lie first in what Malak meant with those words. It could be that, after so much effort, all aimed at becoming a great Dark Lord of the Sith with rule over the galaxy, Malak saw, at the moment of his death, that he had failed. His name would never be remembered as he would have wanted and he would sink in the darkness of death and forgetfulness. He'd become nothing but a memory with no legacy. Revan understood that, at the moment of his own 'death'. For his plan to work, he would have to disappear long enough to the Dark Council not foresee his true intentions. He would have to descend into darkness, much like his old friend, but with one huge difference. Revan would have achieved his goals, and his legacy would be felt through the galaxy. In this case, his speech at the Foundry would have been some kind of a joke to himself. The second possibility is that his words were not directed at the strike team, but at the one who was commanding them. It is true that the Empire's strike team would not see meaning on those words, but to the Emperor, that would not be the case. He knew Revan and Malak well, and it would not be hard to see the meaning of that speech with only such knowledge. Even if the Emperor had not cracked Malak's last moments from Revan's mind in the 300 years he had to do it (though his success in doing it is also possibility), it would not be hard to connect the dots. If such was the case, if Revan's 'last speech' was directed to the Emperor, it would only be part of the bluff. The intention here would be to give even more credibility to his 'death', since the Emperor would also think: 'why would he say this as anything other than a final lament'. The third possibility is that those words meant something to Revan himself, and by doing so, they would mean something to the force sensitive on strike team. It is common knowledge that the Force can be used to read the thoughts of a person. But it is also common knowledge that these thoughts can be masked with other thoughts, or even force techniques. So the speech here, in this case, with all the memories and emotions attached to it, would work as part of a barrier to all Revan was really thinking at the time of his 'death'. The forth possibility, and the most interesting one, is that Revan, in his genius, used the speech to accomplish all three above. Well, who knows? Let's not underestimate the guy... Of course, that there is also the sad event that Revan died after the moment of his speech (which I strongly disbelieve). But even if that is true (which I, again, strongly disbelieve), the whole theory could not be discredited. In fact, only the last part would. If Revan died, it would surely be an intentional and planned death. A sacrifice so that the Foundry could pass to the hands of the Empire and become a centre of discord. The truth though, and what might have happened in reality is that Bioware did put the speech in the original Foundry and, not noticing all of its implications, maintained it after they changed the mission. But such fact would be irrelevant for the lore, and there are dozens of such mistakes in Star Wars universe that later were incorporated by canon. So let's live off the land. Hope you all liked it, and found the explanations satisfactory. To those that believe that Revan is still alive, some help would be really appreciated. May the Force be with you.
  3. Darth Wicked, Thanks for pointing that out. I've been thinking about what you said and I have indeed come up with a question to which I've found no answer: Is it possible that Kreia's and Onasi's speeches be an inside universe view of things, and that none could be used to tell what really happened? Either one could be wrong about who gave the order. It could have been Revan or it could have been Malak. Please correct if I'm mistaken. I believe you are saying that Carth Onasi tells Revan at Kotor that Saul Karath, under Malak's orders, destroyed Telos at the Jedi Civil War. Right? If so, is this the only passage that says it? I mean, are there any other passages that mention these events, or is it only Carth's speech? Does the canon refers only to Carth's speech, or to its veracity? The truth though, is that either way, Revan did not believe destruction to be it's own reward. As it was said before, his ways were subtile. If he ordered the destruction of Telos, it was to have an impact on the Jedi's morale, not to cripple the planet. But if he did not destroy Telos, it was because he preferred to maintain the Republic's infrastructure so he could fight the true Sith Empire later. So whether what Onasi says is wrong or not at all, Revan's MO would still remain unchanged. That corroborates to the idea that he would not build another army so he could 'go wild' and destroy the entire Empire. It is highly unlikely that he would attempt to commit genocide, as it implied at the Foundry. Thank you for your patience. May the Force be with you.
  4. I believe we're starting to run off the subject here. I may have caused some confusion when I made those statements, but I ask you to, please, not mind it too much. Anyways, as an attempt of remedy, here is from where I got that idea from: Atris: "It was always intended for the Jedi to retreat to Telos should Dantooine be attacked—taking all their lore with them. We could not allow the tragedy at Ossus to happen again." Kreia: "Such an act marked Telos for destruction. It is why the Sith came here, though the fleet commanders did not know why. It is why Revan ordered its destruction to mark the beginning of the Jedi Civil War. It was a message that there would be no place for the Jedi to retreat, to hide." ― Jedi Masters Atris and Kreia (Cut content) Of course, Kreia's idea could be false, and that could be considered a non-canonical text. But the central idea here, is to understand how Revan thinks. Even if we dismiss this Kreia's line, there is no denial that his strategy was never a brute show of force. He was always thinking ahead. That is fact is made clear as being the predominant of the many distinctions between Revan and Malak. I hope to have helped. May the Force be with you.
  5. Thanks for replying ForceDesciple. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. Yes, totally my mistake there. I didn't mean Taris, but Telos. I'll be correcting that in my original post. Besides, the phrase after that: "a message that there would be no place for the Jedi to retreat, to hide" is from Atris in one of her answers in the second dialog the exile has with her on Kotor 2. A good point. I admit I had thought about it myself. But the fact that Kenoby and Yoda both disappeared as they became one with the force, does not mean that will be Revan's fate. To tell you the truth, I've been poking around some posts on the matter. And, in another thread on swtor's forums, I found one particularly interesting. I did not see the mails nor looked into it any further, but that would make some sort of sense to me. I understand that you, as many do, can believe he died, and in truth, Bioware nor anyone has confirmed otherwise, so you wouldn't be wrong to have that opinion. But nobody has denied the possibility of him to be alive neither. In fact, if you check wookipedia, you'll find that Drew Karpyshyn did say that “Revan's fate is still being determined”. Hope to have answered both your queries. May the force be with you.
  6. Please, this text have some spoilers about two Flashpoits, and could spoil some other parts as well. If you haven't played "The Foundry" and "The False Emperor", it is not advised to read it. For those that wish to proceed, have fun!
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