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Ok, let’s be open minded about this. Why do you think a non-human would even have the concept of romance? Qyzen-Fess for example is a trandoshan, they’re born from eggs and I don’t even know if trandoshan have genders. I think it’s a little narrow minded to assume that they would have the same view of romance that a human would.
Go watch a movie call enemy mine and see how a non-human may view the idea of romance.
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To quote a famous old man: "Remember, with great power. comes great responsibility."
I know, it's cliched as hell, and from another universe entirely. But just because the Sith are taught to seek power doesn't mean that they can't use that power responsibly.
Except the Sith are not taught to “use that power responsibly” There taught to use their power for personal gain.
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Are you looking for opinion, or fact?
Opinion mostly, Something likes Ki-Adi-Mundi because he stood there with a "what’s going on” look as the clone troopers shot him down. I don’t really think that Ki-Adi-Mundi is the worst Jedi ever but this is an example of what I am interested in reading.
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There are all kind of posts about who and why so and so is the best Jedi/Sith but, I’m interested in seeing who and why someone thinks that so and so is the worst Jedi/Sith.
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It’s really very simple, the Sith code teaches you to seek power. So if you believe that power corrupts and that absolute power corrupts absolutely, then the Sith are trained to be evil.
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Actually I see it as each Class should have there own Class Specific Content when they can do missions that make there Class feel like what they are meant to be. For Instance I also thought of a similar type of Mission set for Smugglers in another thread where Smugglers can do things that make it seem like they were actually Smuggling. But this Subject is about Bounty Hunting so I did not include all that. I wanted this just to be about Bounty Hunting.
I will say that I would also like to see Missions just for Jedi and Sith that would revolve around there separate Class background as well as Troopers and Agents. For example. Troopers could do missions that come from the Republic and deal with attacking Imperial Assets. Imperial Agents would do the same just for the Empire. Jedi could do Missions that deal with the Jedi Council and and the mission types would be dependent on if they were a Knight or Consular. Sith would be the same but just doing things for the Dark Council instead.
Each Class could have both PVP and PVE mission types that were repeatable and randomly generated changing names and locations.
Your ideas are not bad but, it’s still a lot of work for one class. Personally, if BW was going to spend the time and effort on class specific content I would rather they work on continuing the class stories but, that is just me being selfish.
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I'm disappointed by the misleading title, I was expecting a deep philosophical discussion about the meaning of existence. /pout
Were you looking for something like “Meaningless! Meaningless! Says the Teacher. Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless. What do people gain from all their labors at which they toil under the sun? Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever.” Ecclesiastes ver. 2-4
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In may seem fitting at first, but then you got to think essentially its just Vader stabbing Ashoka in the chest after an intensish duel. She dies a failure, galaxy moves on. Audience is like, oh, ok, that was sad.
Now we are getting into the problem of canon, Ashoka's existence is never actually acknowledged by Vader or Anakin before TCW and for obvious reasons. Any changes in Vader's pschye would have profound impacts on Vader's actions to come and could potentially alter his fate altogether.
I agree. That’s why IMO, it would be more fitting and more tragic if the Emperor kills Ashoka to prevent her from confronting Vader. Think about that as an epic tragic tale.
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Maybe. I can't speak for Rhyltran.
Yoda is (G-Canon) the most powerful Jedi produced by the Jedi Order (Pre-Luke). His skill with the blade was matched by Mace Windu, and Count Dooku was known to be able to duel those two as an equal.
Count Dooku's mastery of Makashi was such that it was superior to the Makashi mastery of Yoda and Mace Windu.
Obi-Wan's mastery of Soresu allowed him to withstand the furious assault of Darth Vader's Djem So mastery on Mustafar. The only way he could win was by taking advantage of Vader's arrogance (a weakness he rectified after his humbling experience on Mustafar). Kenobi is acknowledged by Dooku and Mace Windu as the greatest user of Soresu in the history of the Jedi Order.
I've been over this with Ventessel before. Instead of getting into it with you, I will refer you to George Lucas, Leland Chee, The Jedi Path, Jedi vs. Sith, and pretty much any other sourcebook on Jedi and Sith.
The Jedi Path, Jedi vs. Sith. Thank you for the book name, I’ll look it up.
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Ok so, “"Now that Vader had begun to tap deeply into the power of the dark side, his true apprenticeship can begin."
"More important, by the time Vader was capable of becoming a risk to his mastery, Sidious would be fully conversant with the secrets Plagueis had spent a lifetime seeking - the power over life and death. There would be no need to fear Vader. No need to have an apprentice other than to honor the tradition Darth Bane had resurrected a millenium earlier."
But I don’t see anything about fearing Vaders power, maybe Sidious was a feared of Vader killing him in his sleep?
And “Obi Wan Kenobi was the best Soresu user in history. Dooku was the best Makashi user in history and Yoda's pupil. So two users are the best at their respective styles in history”
But how do we know they were the best in history? There were only two Sith. The only duels the Jedi had were with each other. Ok so there form was great but it was only play fighting. So how can they be better than Jedi and Sith in TOR who had real battlefield experience?
I’m not disputing Vaders accomplishments, He is, always has been, and always will be, a BA. What I’m really disputing is the power of TCW era Jedi. I still believe that they had become weak do to the long time of peace and that is one of the reasons it was so easy for Soresu to wipe them out.
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I don't even know how you could give Malgus the edge in Force power over the CHOSEN ONE! Seriously? He became 80% of Sidious. He could will himself back to life, survive for days after being crushed, use Force Crush, Force Choke people from different starships, and he was superior to his master before being placed in the suit.
Question, where are you getting this “He became 80% of Sidious” from? Also I heard that Luke was really the chosen one not Vader, but I can’t remember where I heard it so I could be wrong.
It have also been stated the TCW era Jedi Order were much more powerful than any other before, but in the movies it is shown to be complacent do to the long time of peace. Most of the Jedi hadn’t even been in a real lightsaber duel, so how can they be stronger then the TOR Jedi Order who had 30 years of lightsaber combat experience? Even Yoda and Mace acknowledged that their ability to use the force was weakening no growing. Also Malgus stated that only through conflict can you grow in the force. Before TCW there was no conflict, so how can TCW era Jedi Order be more powerful than any other?
Anyway as I stated before I haven’t read any of the comics but they seem to be contradicting what I thought I know.
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This is interesting. May as well jump in. However I'm not just going to list abilities because that is entirely pointless if I don't compare them. So here goes.
Lightsaber/Combat Abilities
Vader: One of the greatest fighters of his time Vader and achieve mastery over Djem So - mixed with elements of all other forms including Makashi and Soresu - his attack was extremely powerful and overwhelming with even the most basic of strikes capable of disarming. His defensive is also just as good, with his mastery of Djem So covering both spheres and has been shown to be effective against multiple lightsaber wielding opponents. However due to his suit he lacked mobility, although he compensated this with tactical ingenuity.
Malgus: Much like Vader, he is an infamous Jedi hunter. And likely uses a hybrid Djem So form much like Vader, he also possessed extremely high mobility, overcoming the form's primary weakness. He was also skilled in disarming opponents and mixing his attacks with unarmed strikes. He combined his skill with the lightsaber with tactical ingenuity, preempting attacks and manipulating duels in his favour. His lightsaber attacks were fueled with pent up dark side rage, which made each attack potentially devastating. In terms of defensive techniques, he is highly proficient, able to hunker down and hold out against consecutive attacks.
Unsurprisingly, these guys are pretty much mirror images of each other and equally matched in many fields. They are both extremely proficient in lightsaber attack and defensive and while Malgus' abilities were augmented with dark side rage, Vader's were augmented by his suit. They both have tough armor and use tactical ingenuity to turn the tide of battle. And while Vader is likely the better duelist Malgus has the edge in two areas - his rage is far more effective in bolstering his abilities and his excellent mobility is a perfect counter to Vader's lack of it. Therefore in terms of lightsaber combat, Malgus gets the edge.
Physical Capabilities
Vader: Thanks to his suit his mobility was highly hampered, however it also augmented his strength and stamina. Painkillers meant he was also highly resistant to pain and his suit could survive all kinds of damage e.g. blaster bolts, flamethrowers, explosions, hard vacuums etc. He was however incapable of surviving for long without his breathing apparatus. His only weakness is force lighting/electrical discharges.*
Malgus: He is extremely strong and agile, and his breathing apparatus is largely unnecessary, although after his defeat on Alderaan he relied heavily on internal cybernetics in repair his body. However his stamina and endurance is extremely high, seeing as after being buried alive and in requirement of extensive medical attention and cybernetic augmentation to survive he fought and bested a pair of Jedi. Oh, and he survive being buried alive. Force lighting also had no effect on his cybernetics, which likely only augmented his abilities.
Both have solid armour, and extremely high endurance and stamina levels thanks to personal abilities and cybernetics. And although Vader's suit is all that more endurable, it is weak against Force lighting, an ability Malgus is proficient in, and Vader is also more reliant on it - meaning that any damage done to the suit is going to be all that more destructive. However Vader has come off far better than Malgus has when recieving devastating attacks, and can simply take more punishment - Vader gets the edge, just.
Force Powers
Vader: He was highly proficient in incorporating force based attacks into his fighting style, he is also capable in extensive telekinesis and tutaminis able to break through the Force shields of Jedi opponents. However thanks to his prosthetic arms he is incapable of Force lightning and thanks to the loss of organic tissue his Force abilities are limited.
Malgus: Malgus was extremely skilled at augmenting his abilities with the Force, performing supernatural speed, agility and strength. His telekinetic abilities were also profound and his often incorporated them into his lightsaber attacks, or chain them together - much like Vader his is more than capable of breaking though the Force shields of Jedi opponents. However unlike Vader, he is highly skilled in application of Force lightning, capable of killing Jedi instantly. He was also capable of using Force deflection to protect himself from harm or simply cocooning himself in the Force. Malgus was also exceptionally skilled in channeling his anger, able to conjure powerful Force maelstroms which protected the user and attack the enemy - the pinnacle of this ability was the Force storm.
Malgus's Force abilities were vicious, brutal and various. The third quality being the most important, he is pretty much equally matched in other respects but his Force lightning is a powerful ability Vader does not possess and is non-resistant to. His defensive capabilities in the Force arguably outclass Vader's whom only seems to rely on his suit and his lightsaber force defense, while Malgus often uses the Force to create bubbles of protection around him. Therefore Malgus gets the edge.
Verdict
Malgus wins, the fighting will be intense and drawn out but Malgus possesses the skill to hold out and counter Vader's lightsaber abilities and telekinetic attacks. He has high proficiency in Djem So, high mobility and tactical ingenuity, allowing him to more successfully evade, counter and exploit Vader's attacks. He is also more than capable to absorb any Force based attacks Vader can dish out. However given Vader's almost identical skills they are at a relative impasse. What gives Malgus victory is his agility and Force abilties, as the fight countinues Malgus will have multiple opportunities to draw away from Vader, or push him away, in order to deal a devastating Force lightning based attack. Several consecutive attacks of this kind will be enough to wear Vader down and deal the killing blow. I may assess Bane's abilities at a later date, but I think both Vader and Malgus outclass him.
*Despite what everyone says, I do believe this is a weakness. I don't have TFU II novel but I'm pretty sure events happened differently to how they were portrayed. Wookieepedia claims Starkiller was disarmed but he convinced Vader to lower his defenses before unleashing Force lightning which subdued him immediately. It was also Force lightning which damaged his suit beyond repair above Endor and then
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You must understand the context... and to realize the diference of a character silly belief and the actual plot.
Vader was a sith lord the end, allthough he was more then sith or jedi he was the chosen one.
Whataver Lumiya likes to think, not to mention vader would end her quick most probably.
So you are going to dismiss this as opinion even though Lumiya also had cybernetic and knows from experience what she is talking about?
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Alright then here comes the evidence...
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Pretty much it of the fight, the other Jedi were killed when the 501st came in. One of the Jedi also had a Cortosis blade. (This was early post-Mustafar.)
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(last won't show, but he toppled a giant tree on her.) This is the Dark Woman, former Jedi Master and the one who could teleport.
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Beats Celesta, who had the Talisman of Mur and said Ancient Sith Lord acknowledge that Vader was very powerful. This is the same woman, that fought Darth Krayt.
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TK lifts a Y-wing, blows up the base, survives the explosion. Same instance of him taking out the entire base.
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The droid bit.
Straight to the point.
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Moves his blade so fast, that it creates afterimages.
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Surviving an explosion at point blank range.
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Willing himself back to life.
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Also this is all Vader still before his prime in dueling. I could post more but I need to go run FPs so later.
Good job my friend, I haven’t seen these comic before and it does make you argument.
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He lost his power sure...but its never stated in what way he lost it. Its the whole him having the power within, but never realizing it.
Anyway...you got it the other way around, Malgus is pretty much an exact copy of Vader only difference is..Vader is better then Malgus in every aspect. Has Malgus taken on 8 Jedi Knights/Masters at once before? Has he collapsed buildings and survived for days under them? Has he ever willed himself back to life? Destroy a base on his own? Moved starships? Survive huge explosions? Crushed enormous droids and knock over huge trees? Take on a Jedi that could teleport/phase through objects?
I can post evidence of all of this, if you like.
Lumiya stated to Jacen Solo that cybernetic replacements impeded the force and because of Darth Vader cybernetic he could never be a true Lord of the Sith. So here’s my evidence of why Vader is not and could never be as powerful as he should have been.
Now let’s look at you arguments. “Has Malgus taken on 8 Jedi Knights/Masters at once before?” Malgus has taken on several Jedi’s before but I don’t know if he ever took on 8 solo or not. “Has he collapsed buildings and survived for days under them?” Yes. “Has he ever willed himself back to life?” I don’t think so, good point. “Destroy a base on his own?” Yes. “Moved starships?” that would be a no. you got me on that one. “Survive huge explosions?” Yes. “Crushed enormous droids and knock over huge trees?” No, but I have no reason to believe this is outside his power. “Take on a Jedi that could teleport/phase through objects?” No.
You are making good argument and I must say it does look like Vader is the stronger, but I would like to know you reference material?
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The thing is, Darth Vader would have become more powerful than Darth Sidious, if he had control over his emotions (he always blamed himself for what he have become, for "killing" his wife and unborn son and what would have beeen). This was the motive why Darth Sidious kept him along, The Emperor believed that Darth Vader could achieve the Full potential of The Chosen One,
It’s funny you would believe this when per lore Vader lost a lot of his power when he became a cyborg and could never be as powerful as Sidious. Shoot, he wasn’t even able to use force lightning.
Now don’t get me wrong Vader was still one of if not the greatest duelist of his time but compared to Malgus? Will let’s give Malgus some credit. Master duelist, Veteran of a 30 year war, sacked the Jedi temple. In fact I haven’t see or read anything that Vader could do that Malgus couldn’t and as stated above Vader didn’t have control over his emotions but Malgus did. He even killed his girlfriend and used her memory to full his anger and gain more power.
Now if someone can point to something that Darth Vader did that shows he could beat Malgus and Bane then I’ll listen but just saying that Anakin Skywalker had the potential to be the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever doesn’t count. Anakin’s story is about how great he could have been but never was.
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Well my idea for that is, my character goes into hiding for 4000 years.. or gets frozen in carbonite stasis.. either 1 of those would work.. and HEY PRESTO! i come back after the movie saga.
If you are immortal I guess a little 4,000 year nap isn’t to long.
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I don’t understand why there is all this talk about “killing the EU”. The Batman, Spiderman, Ironman, Xmen, Avengers, etc, movies did not kill there comic books even thou they were very different stories. In fact they all gained popularity. So the new star wars movie my cause more people to go back and read the EU and instead of kill it will bring it now life. And if not then the books will still be there, no one is going to take them away.
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Okay, so we're getting same-sex romances in 2.0. That's great. I feel so happy for those of us that would prefer to romance Kaliyo with a woman (kinda would make sense without same-sex romances; Kaliyo's pretty much a dude already). Despite all of this, my hulking Dashade is still left out of the great game of love. He is sad. <--- Do you see the sadness? HE NEEDS LOVE TOO!!!!!!
But I thought Khem Val was with Zash now, after all thay are “of one flesh”.
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1. Vette, My Sith just can’t go to the dark side with Vette around.
2. Minsc, at the end of BG2 he was the only one I did not ask if he would go with me to face Jon Irenicus. I knew no matter what that Minsc would always have my back.
3. Imoen, I was so outraged when the Mages of Amn arrested her that I raced thought chapter two as fast as I could just to rescue her.
There are other BW characters that I really like but these three are the ones I remember the most.
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Malgus can't do what Mace did, because Vaapad hasn't been invented yet. Mace only lasted as long as he did because of that, any other form he would have gotten killed quickly and really Mace only won because he exploited a fear which was coming from Anakin who was on the way. Prior to that point, Mace and Sidious were fighting at a stalemate, even then Sidious could have ended the fight at any time with his Force superiority, Mace only lived so long so that Sidious could turn Anakin.
Sidious is more powerful then Malgus in every aspect, saber combat, force power, etc so there really is no argument your right.
No the fight wouldn't go either way, because Mace would mop the floor with Malgus using Vaapad.
Now this thread really needs to stop, it should have stopped after the 1st post. There is no way, Malgus is beating Sidious...at all.
I disagree, I understand that form is very important but I don’t think that it is an auto win over experience. Malgus is a master duelist in a time when Jedi vs. Sith fights are common. Mace and Sidious are masters of form in a time when Jedi vs. Sith fights are uncommon. So I think that Malgus’s experience gives him an advantage that you not taking into account (at least against Mace). Now I know that Vaapad is a powerful form, but is it really so powerful that no other form can beat it?
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I find it strange that no one has pointed out that in a straight up lightsabre duel Mace Windu (a combat machine like Malgus) beat Darth Sideous. Now it can be argued that Mace only won because he used Vaapad a form that Sideous was unfamiliar with but, a counter argument is that Malgus has years of experience fighting Jedi (and to a lesser degree Sith) that would give him an equal advantage to Mace’s vaapad form. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Malgus would win I’m just saying that he could win just like Mace did.
Now as for the question of who is more powerful? I don’t see any argument that can be made. Malgus is a combat monster but that is all he is. Sideous’s power and knowledge of the force and his political/ military power are far greater than Malgus’s. Sideous is clearly more powerful.
On a side note; for just a good butt kicking fight Darth Malgus vs. Mace Windu. I can see the fight going either way but, regardless of who wins it would be a great duel.
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the barsen'thor is WAAAAAAY more powerful in the force compared to the hero of tython.
I agree, but as we have seen in The Emperor Vs. Mace all that power isn’t any good when the guy with the lightsabre doesn’t give you a chance to use it.
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Thats why I said almost In the first fight, it was sub-50 PvP so lets not go with that. The second fight was close and Jace only got a grenade off. My sorc steamrolled through Thanaton and I needed the Wrath of the Emperor, the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt and Cipher Nine to kill Malgus. If Satele could either solo or two man Malgus, but Thanaton is soloable, yeah. Besides, Malgus is a boss and Thanaton is not.
Or you could say that Satele solo Malgus because Jace is only a companion.
<--- Do you see the sadness? HE NEEDS LOVE TOO!!!!!!
In the first fight, it was sub-50 PvP so lets not go with that. The second fight was close and Jace only got a grenade off. My sorc steamrolled through Thanaton and I needed the Wrath of the Emperor, the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt and Cipher Nine to kill Malgus. If Satele could either solo or two man Malgus, but Thanaton is soloable, yeah. Besides, Malgus is a boss and Thanaton is not.
bioware xenophobic?
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On the contrary, I don’t see being born from eggs to be inferior at all, why would you assume that? All I’m saying is that to think a non-human is going to think, feel, or act, like a human is a little shortsighted. Open your mind to the possible of a non-human to be truly alien, it’s a good thing.