Honestly, from what I've seen on the PTS, solo queueing is going to be terrible. If you don't have a pretty good team, you're just rancor bait out there feeding the wolves. Now thats on the PTS, where for the most part, the only people actually participating are PvPers, not your random pugs (though you still get them). Now put that on the live servers, where every noob in this game is going to go crazy cause its zomgsh! new content....and its a disaster.

Lawl, I could care less about having my name displayed on some e-peen list. Most spots in the first place are going to be taken by people designed in a premade/ranked team. I was simply saying that since this is a SERVER thread, regardless if they got the record while they were here (kudos to them) and the fact that what? The Pub side has MCB as a end game PvP group (Still don't see PD, DR, etc.). Imp side has CP, US/AD, BSW or so. None of which any of them are running ranked from what I know, aside from the few who may be doing the weekly kickballs. So that leaves the majority of people on the server to attempt to beat these records, as nicely done as they are, in regs? Lawl. So "new management" means copy and paste and let the thread die again?

If it's under new management, how about wiping the slate clean? A lot of the records are held by people not even on the server any longer.

That would be because all the decent players on the pub side are off doing other things late night or asleep.

So you decided to cry about it hear? Honestly, the only issue people have with premades, is the copious amounts of BS about how they are some stupidly awesome player at PvP that goes around. And the fact Guilds (mainly Imp side now) are scheduling and attempting to get super q's in regs these days. It's sad to say that if you need any more than 4 people from your guild to face complete pugs (not even good pugs at that) to win, you're bad and probably shouldn't play .

Lawl, the reason you got trolled was because you run your mouth more than you play. You have a bad tendency to have diarrhea of the mouth, but don't size up to the challenge when presented. Oh excuse me, that's right, being a healer in a premade consisting of another healer (because we know how much you love to heal in circles) and a tank who guard switches makes you some invincible PvP god right? You'll never learn. So do us a favor, cry some more baby so we can have some comedic relief off your ignorance. But you know, what's funny is that CM you're not the only one who ran back to JC and started spouting off at the mouth again. Apparently there are quite a few of you running around on alts that were renamed, hiding in the shadows. Face it, you think you could just come back to the server, cry a little bit, attempt to troll someone and we would accept you (not like we did before anyway)? So relax, go sit in a corner and stroke your e-peen some more, it's proven to be the only thing you're good at aside from getting carried.

Ok, so I understand why there is a troll. Best and most knowledgeable player is pushing it. But the guy is not bad, quite enjoy having him as a fill in on our progression runs. With that said, what makes me lul is the amount of PvPers in here trolling away. You're knowledgeable in your own right, but seriously? Stay in your lane, stick to what you are good with .

For PvP or PvE? PvP: Tanks and Healers are few and far between, though it has been a bit better lately. PvE: Really depends on raid composition of your guild.

<Hellbent> After finally getting our entire team on, on the same night. (Copious amounts of IRL came in the way). Hellbent downed the Dread Guards in Nightmare. Believe it took us 3 pulls. Time: 8:59 PM EST Wednesday, September 4th, 2013 Killshot: http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws.com/188520/module_gallery/original/1447118.jpg Team: Altered Deal

I agree. Most likely to get trolled eventually. I can't possibly troll him though, he is a good guy, has run quite a few OPs with us when we needed a filler. Though Nos, bro, I need to get you out of the house .

Imperial Xaera Deft Mod 31 (trying to get some more armorings/mods but meh, RE hates me) None - just need mats.

I'm pretty free to run if I'm on, except for raid nights. Pub | Prodigal | Sentinel | 1/2 and 1/2 Partisan/Conq (Augmented)

Hopefully they read this. I know my progression team enjoys doing our scheduled NiM runs, but on off days like to run HM OPs for other guildies to help gear, keep us from being too bored, etc. For those who don't have 50-11 alts that are progression ready, lockouts on HM/NiM becomes a dire problem. /signed

Gratz to RG and Ascension! GJ. Question is Rialus, why is it in every boss kill Foto is dead? Lol.

PUG groups are always a crap shoot and I wouldn't recommend you seeking them out for HM/NiM Operation content. That is not to say that I haven't been in PUG groups who have downed the content either. You normally have to find a good group (guild run, etc) and start networking with other players so you can feel comfortable knowing you have a good group. I would suggest you start looking for a progression guild. Start researching a little bit and find a home, it makes things much easier, even if you aren't on a progression raid team, most guilds I know, including mine run alt runs to help gear others members who don't get the opportunity to raid as often through HM content on the weekends.

Lol, what is comical is that this has just been released, nobody so far has posted clear pics claiming this or that and you people are already in a swinging e-peen competition. If you don't like each other, fine, then do the community a favor and leave your ego/pride at the damn door. I'm pretty sure this thread wasn't named, "Come test your egotistical immaturity over clears pl0x". =\. On another note, sadly, I wish I could start on this . Shall be interesting, but my raid group won't be around until later. So again, cheers to those who are in there now and cheers to those like us, for later .

Korse is just an attention grabbing troll who obviously is in denial about the insanity that is the DGs. My raid team personally won't move on like other guilds did to just grab gear. No satisfaction in that for us. Tbh, we could care less about the gear. Korse, do me a favor, when you stream or YT a TFB NiM DG kill, then you may speak up. Until then, learn to understand that nobody is asking for a nerf....as also STATED to your troll of a post on the actual thread about the DGs being over-tuned. I'm pretty sure yourself and your raid team aren't the same caliber of players as the top-rated raid teams worldwide and if they are saying it's an issue, guess what? your feeble attempt at saying it isn't, is ignorant and unjustified.

Again, the trolls are running out of fodder to nom nom on, due to their ignorance on that ACTUAL topic of this thread. They are now just trying to cause some pissing match because they are backed into a corner when someone with a video finally validated sustained DPS during the fight minus drop off on enrage 2500-2600 DPS....completely nullifying their idiotic attempts to "theorize" some fairy tale numbers because they consider themselves "number crunchers".

Don't feed the trolls who think they can push better numbers. Your sustained DPS on Heirad was 2700-2800, MORE THAN REASONABLE, for this encounter. All the counter arguments to this thread and seriously coming down to ignorance of the fight and denial that their wee little teams are not going to clear this. There is no way in hell, you can expect DPS in a mechanically heavy fight such as the DGs to sustain over 3k DPS, which is CLEARLY needed to by the end, meet this theoretical number of 2600 or some ****. KBN, Take your theories and go plug yourself into Torparse or Mox and please show us YOUR incredibly based numbers in this fight, so that your estimate on what YOU THINK the DPS should be sustaining during the fight will finally be justified by your complete and utter failure to clear them -.-.

Lol @ Korean All-Stars. They must have poked the bear huh?

Always gonna be one or two mad trolls cause they can't even clear HM let alone NiM Ops .

I'm sure nobody was looking at grabbing the title off the bat, first day...too many chances of messing things up due to learning mechanics (even if you cleared on PTS). And I love how you want to come on here and try to troll raid teams addressing a legitimate concern lmao. Not one of us expect to be given anything for just showing up kiddo =\. Mosey back over to your HM Ops and leave the discussion to those who are trying to clear NiM. kthxbai .

Oh? So now you assume that I haven't been in there bashing my head against it with my raid team trying different tactics for hours on end? I'm not saying that the fight is impossible, I'm not saying that getting clobbered is grounds for bringing upon a nerf. All I'm saying is that I'm sick of people throwing around these theoretical numbers of what the raid team HAS to be at as far as DPS in order to beat/survive enrage without taking the full fight mechanics into consideration (loss of DPS, etc.)

I love how people like you are coming up with theoretical numbers that obviously don't take into account the fights mechanics. 2625 might be a good rough number to have per DPS class and what is required, but in order to achieve that, with Dooms, Strangles, GCDs, and adds playing the roll, you're looking at anywhere between 2900-3100 sustained DPS from every class to meet that margin with mechanics. Granted, that is purely a rough estimate.

Only thing I will agree on in this post is the "pushover" boss selection. My argument against it. Give then information sourced out during the PTS by Dulfy and other guide writers, the DGs were meant to be in my mind the 2nd hardest boss next to TFB. That ranking was completely based on added mechanics, not having RNG pixie dust, or on the flip side, a boss who completely wrecks top rated raid teams for 8-12 hours not because of lack of knowing mechanics, class know-how, etc....but simply because everyone can't push 2800-2900 DPS sustained based on class. Now when other guilds are skipping over the DGs and going and killing TFB and TFB is a pushover in comparison, which, from PTS was the hardest boss (Styrak-type fight), where it was a DPS check, but it wasn't anywhere near as high as what is needed for the DGs? Something is a bit off there. The fight itself is fine, but highly unlikely you are not going to hit the enrage at 40-55% on Kel'sara and its a wipe. Some guilds have done 20-30%, but that is still a lot of meat left on the bone to try to push before she stomps your face in.