Amusing. I guess you can insult someone for stating a fact, or rather, you can insult an intangible construct such as grammar! Wow. Telling. Very telling. Please continue, but please read below. And since you are so intent on getting ur lack of education exposed, ur wish is granted. "u" is an abbreviation in form. Grammar is a set of structural rules governing a specific language. Guess it's back to middle school for you. :/ Yes, I loled. Your dmg on the charts was pretty unsatisfactory, which was another reason I didn't want to take you seriously. Guess you shld pick your opponent before trying huh? You are talking to a psychologist now. In any case, your own choice of language says everything. I have wasted enough time on you. We study individuals such as you all the time and yeah, such case studies are, again, not uncommon. Perceive of others how you will, but remember, your perception of the world is a reflection of your inner self. I'm done talking. Any insults and attempts to debunk anything, etc. from this point onwards will be ignored. You are entitled to your opinions and arguments. I will simply not entertain them. Sorry if you will excuse me. I have more important things to do after allocating a single day on a game that I played several hrs of new arenas in. Lol. Presumptions, presumptions.

Yeah, regardless of who that sarcasm is directed at, I must say, posting this thread here does seem to be quite useless since all it appears to do is invite unprovoked insults from individuals who cannot see beyond themselves and insisting that their view is representative of the population at large.

"The game is stil fun, and so are the arena's." Another one bites the dust. [sorry if you can't catch it.] And sadly no, I'm living a happy, fruitful and worthwhile life, way more so than an individual that sees others as "bitter, pathetic". Study psychology and you will understand why and see that this is not uncommon. For this, I do pity you. You probably live in a community that does not welcome criticisms and informed opinions. Funny, I thought America is a free country. Guess it's because the government is no longer running huh, so anarchy has taken over then? And no, narcissism is the precise reason you people have gotten those opinions of yours. I suppose even that is a bit challenging for you, and yes, we could go on this forever as well if you do not admit you like to see things with a tainted view. I will say this only once: Present an argument with valid facts that does not base itself on insults, and I will respond likewise. You try to insult someone without provocation [important], then expect them to respond in kind. Unfortunately, you did not do that, no one provoked you but your sole purpose was to insult. Hence, a little education for you. P.S. I'm valor rank 85, btw, and that's only playing occasionally over several months, since my main focus is on other more competitive MMOs and arcade-style titles. Oh, and of course, before you even try, do not bring up the misconception of an individual not possessing "great wisdom" = an insult.

Not that I find this pointless argument worthy of my time but please study basic game design. WoW, Blade & Soul, Tera, Guild Wars and all other competitive MMOs are unique in their own way, but any PVP system, regardless of its form, all shares similarity in structure, and like I said, I do not want to delve into such boring topics.

"An article written in 2009". The power of facts to convince does not decay with age. Ever attended forensic science lectures? Apparently not. A suspect can be incriminated with a single piece of evidence dated 100 years ago. It also seems that u're not acquainted with legal systems. Your very human right is protected, at this moment of speaking, by your local laws enacted decades ago. U have just revealed your own lack of education with that statement about the date of an article. Wonder which university u graduated from. An amusing individual who seeks his own insults, when none has been directed at him to begin with. Your intentions? Peculiar, indeed. No, it is perfectly organized, I am afraid to inform you that it is simply beyond u, and no, it's so blatantly obvious u are less educated than you claim to be that I don't even wish to waste my time holding your hands through the logic that you are so fixated upon. Alas, I guess I will have to perform a little charity in this case: 1) SWTOR is less pvp-oriented during development than WoW and Guild Wars 2. 2) The system foundations of SWTOR do not take into considerations PVP balance, esp. in regards to 1v1, 2v2, or 4v4 type arenas. 3) James Ohlen admitted during GDC that SWTOR was not only rushed but the entire game design was affected because of issues that the team was never equipped to handle. 4) Blizzard made explicit statements during press release that their "games" will be released "when it's[they] are ready". Direct quote, mind you. 5) SWTOR was not. It was released when it was not ready. 6) Arenas was "the single biggest mistake in WoW's history", and that's coming from one of the most talented PVP and game developers in the world. Ever heard of Battle.net? 7) SWTOR doesn't even have a competent enough team to handle PVP and they released Arenas without even collecting mere metrics [fact], let alone perform control experiments [aside from training dummys] before releasing such a radical game system change/update. Point. Go do some reading on swtorhub and swtorstrategies and other sites. The pvp veterans there long talked abt the issues that Arenas will bring way before the update. Lastly, try not to embarrass urself by being too presumptuous. You simply did not get the "flow" because you did not have all the facts. Like I said, this thread was not directed at players like you. It was directed at developers in the know, hence, "ignorance is a bliss" earlier. Mind your own business and you will not get embarrassed. Oh, and for the record, the opening post was not even trying to making an argument of any sort. If you could not see it, it was more of a personal opinion, that was based on facts, as I have specifically mentioned. Guess you do not read as well. P.S. Oh and FYI, I am friendly to people who do not antagonize me with unfriendly gestures or words such as "suck it up buttercup". Did my opening post insult anyone? Why are you, then, insulting others [watching YouTube videos, you could think of a better insult, really]? Perhaps do a little self-reflection and try to see the logic, even if it is somewhat mentally challenging for you. Again, like I said, I simply love to reciprocate unprovoked insults, not exactly because I'm insulted but because the individual that is insulting has nothing else better to do and I feel an obligation to educate him/her. And yes, we could go on this forever if you are going to insist on your unprovoked insults being justified, etc. [and yes, I am intentionally using a conjunction at the beginning of a sentence for rhetorical effect].

Like the saying goes: "Ignorance is a bliss. "

The grammar is telling. I'm sorry I unwittingly insulted your intelligence earlier. I guess I'm wrong, indeed.

Clearly another one whose words demonstrate great wisdom. Sorry for the sarcasm but apparently you are not familiar with statistics and the concept of sample size. I'll leave you to figure that out. In any case, it does not matter whether players such as yourself view or reply to this thread. Guess what does.

Your words exude wisdom. It is precisely players like you that BioWare has introduced Arenas. Oh, and please do not throw the word legit around when u are not a developer himself. Mr. Rob Pardo said it loud and clear: "Arenas were the single biggest mistake in WoW's history." If you have received some level of education, then I believe you can distinguish between opinion and fact. My opinions were based on fact, while your opinions were, merely based on your opinions. Please learn to make a convincing argument before trying. It only shows you are not listening to others and yourself. Regardless, this post is not exactly for players like you. : This thread is directed at BioWare. : So if you have nothing constructive to say other than your own flawed opinions, then please, keep playing your arenas. No one is robbing you of your playtime in swtor, only yourself.

For background information, please read this first, an article on Joystiq featuring an interview of Blizzard's VP of Game Design, Rob Pardo: http://wow.joystiq.com/2009/11/13/blizzard-arenas-were-a-mistake/ "Arena has been a huge headache for Blizzard and players alike. He goes on to say that if he had the choice, he'd either go back to WoW's beginnings and change the fundamentals of class balance, or, barring that, would nix the decision to add Arenas during the development of the Burning Crusade expansion. " Even knowing all these, and the blatantly obvious FACT that Star Wars The Old Republic was never designed from the ground up as a pvp-oriented game, much more so than MMOs like WoW and Guild Wars 2, BioWare still has to introduce this WoW-esque arena in a bid to attract more new players to SWTOR. The ludicrousness of BioWare's decision in this case is further accentuated by the fact that Blizzard is a company that puts extreme emphasis on the quality of its products, always reassuring its users that the game will be released "when it's ready" while on the other hand, BioWare had trouble running 4 man in a SINGLE INSTANCE 1 year before the release of SWTOR! I have so much more to say, but at this point, I think it's just too obvious. The BioWare that once was, has ceased to be... Perhaps Greg and Muzyka really left at the right time... The BioWare that I once loved is no more.

Yeah, but in the state that the current arenas are in, it just shows that BioWare is rushing to produce new updates instead of taking the time to refine the mechanics and overall system. Releasing a new pvp system in such a premature state only means that BioWare probably cares less about quality now, unlike their competitors such as Blizzard who always tries to release things "when they are ready", even though they still have balance issues but at least they make a visible attempt. In the case of solo ranked arenas especially, classes like tanksins/shadows are technically both dps and tank but BioWare doesn't seem to care about these "trivial" details and just use an extremely rudimentary match-making system. I have played stealth classes in other mmos which are even more fast-paced and requires relatively insane reaction times as compared to swtor and I intentionally do not play stealth in swtor becos I do not want to make use of design flaws to overcome the enemy. It feels cheap from my perspective. Secondly, the new arena environments also favour teams with stealth/mass stealth classes. If one team doesn't have the mass stealth advantage at the beginning of a solo ranked arena, they are already at a serious disadvantage. This applies to either teams, so I am speaking for the opposing team as well, becos if my team won with the stealth advantage, I dun really think much of such a "win". BioWare claims that the arenas will actually distill the pvp experience down to its essence but in all honesty, the game balance is lacking, very lacking. Ultimately, releasing a new game system in its premature state is a recipe for failure. Just a food for thought, why do you think SWTOR does not have ranked 1v1 now? becos just like the developers said when the game launched, Star Wars The Old Republic was never meant to be a pvp-oriented game. It was never designed that way. The pvp popularity was a pleasant "surprise" for them. In other words, a 1v1 system cannot exist within a game that has glaring balance issues. I used to 1v4 with a watchman sentinel and no, I do not feel proud of it [though objectively speaking, some of that is attributable to experience and relative skill] because it was most likely imbalanced, which is why I do not complain about the various nerfs to watchman, etc., it is for the better good of the whole game. Unfortunately, not everyone in swtor thinks like I do and they will exploit whatever imbalance there is to get ahead in ranked arenas, more so in the solo queue because the effect is more noticeable. I am sad because I returned after being away from swtor for 1 year. I was really looking forward to a balanced pvp system that truly demonstrates that SWTOR has become a mature title that can hold its own in the pvp scene of mmo gaming. Alas, that is not the case. It just shows that BioWare has become more desperate. :sigh: