Who cares about walking around the inside of a gun ship? This is an action game, not SecondLife. For real though, if taking a stroll through some cool computer animation is your thing, you really should check out SecondLife. Otherwise, please leave the action games to people who actually enjoy playing them.

Then, I'm not trying to be mean, but you shouldn't play PVP. I guess I just don't see the point if you don't involve yourself. Sure, you get coms and stuff, but what good are they to people who don't like to play? Build up your expertise armor to hide some more? Or, even worse, get bored of it and go explore? If it's gotten old to you, please move on to something else in the game. Raids can be pretty fun. Many of us genuinely like PVP, and it doesn't "get old" to us when we're doing good and getting a fair amount of wins.

Oh I totally agree with you. There are many reasons PVP sucks in this game, and though I've never had a Sorc, I take your word for it. PVP can be hard on almost everyone in different ways depending on their class. The teams I've been getting stuck with lately just happened to be the-straw-that-broke-the-camels-back to me, so to speak, and it's something a guild member and I have been trying to figure out for a while.

I hope so. I do really like this game. That's why I started this thread, to get a better understanding of what's going on and find some tolerance. There's a lot about this game that I love. It just so happens that PVP is my thing, so if it goes downhill, it dampens my view of the game itself. I'm going to stay patient though and wait for the bad wave to pass. I still think they should do something about the people who hide and ride it out for free coms and stuff.

Don't be a troll please. If this were a rant, I'd be throwing out insults or veering off the topic to complain about the specific things that annoy me, of which there are many. I'm not. I've specifically tried to stick to the matters that are genuinely concerning me; how are teams chosen? How can SWTOR bring and end to people hiding from the beginning of the match, or giving up half way through when there's still a chance to make a comeback? These are valid inquiries. Also, I'm not "threatening to rage quit". I'm not "threatening" anything. I have expressed that my frustration level with the PVP system in SWTOR is getting great enough that I'm considering quitting the entire game of SWTOR. It has nothing to do with anger, the fact is, there are a lot of sci-fi mmorpg's out there with good ratings. Why wouldn't I try another if I'm no longer having fun with the one I'm currently playing? It isn't a threat to anyone that's listening that they should fix it or else I'm going to leave, what good would that do? It's an expression of my frustration level, and the reason I've finally resorted to starting a thread on the topic. I want to continue playing this game, I'm a huge Star Wars fan. Therefore I need to understand how the system works so I can get a better understanding, and hopefully, a little more tolerance.

No, I mean they're hiding from the beginning. It's happened numerous times already, and it's getting worse. In Huttball I've seen stealths do it a lot. They go stealth and hide in a corner near the front entrance. In Voidstar people are able to hide in doorways or crevices on the opposite side of the first area where no one goes. These people are doing NOTHING from the beginning of the match. In Novare Coast I've seen them hide down the banks behind the east and west turrets. Most importantly though, their ending score is a dead give-away: 0 Damage, 0 Healing, 0 Objectives, 0 EVERYTHING. The problem is, SWTOR is giving coms, exp, and credits for PVP no matter what. That, to me, seems like a major game flaw. Of course you are going to get the lazy ones who think they've found a neat catch in the game, "I can rack up my coms and exp, and all I have to do is stand here! This is awesome!" That's why it's becoming a new fad lately, a lot more people have finally caught on to this flaw and it's too irresistible for them to ignore. Everyone wants something for nothing.

I totally agree with this, it makes sense. It still doesn't explain why all of a sudden people are hiding in corners or giving up. This is a PVP server, why even join if you're just going to hide or give up? But I suppose that's not really a question anyone can answer. I don't want to turn this thread into a "***** session", but I do think they need to fix this problem. One thing that could work is not giving coms, experience, or credits if you've done no damage, healing, or objectives in a match. That would stop people from hiding anyway. No point in going in and hiding if you don't get anything out of it.

But that's actually what I've found in SWTOR, you either REALLY win, or REALLY lose. It's not too often both teams are somewhat evenly matched. My experience is the opposite of yours, but you say you play on the Republic side, I've always been on the Imp side, and from what I've heard, Imps don't take directions well. That's what I've experienced myself as well. Whenever you try taking control or guiding a group in PVP, people get offended and end up doing the opposite of what you say. And of course, we lose.

The Bastion. PVP West Coast.

PVP is probably one of my favorite things about MMO's. I've always had a few issues with the PVP system in SWTOR in comparison to other PVP games I've played, but nothing so serious as to completely ruin if for me. However, I finally reached my peak of frustration today, and I feel like I'm getting close to quitting SWTOR. I don't want to, I'm a huge Star Wars fan, and for that reason alone I love this game, but lately I haven't been having fun with it anymore. I have a sniper and a healer (imps). PVP'ing with my sniper is fun, but I enjoy it more with my healer. My healer seems to do very good in PVP. I'm almost always at the top for my team, which is obviously gratifying, and I get a lot of compliments. I started playing PVP with my healer at an early level, and it's been a blast. All of a sudden, however, the fun is gone. For the last week & a half or so, I've been constantly getting teamed up with people who don't seem to know what's going on. This isn't the beginning of a rant, I'm just curious as to the possible reasons for this. Could it be that it's coincidence? Perhaps a new wave of players have joined recently? Or, is it the way the teams are being chosen? I can't help but to dwell on that latter question. How are these teams chosen for matches? If PVP teams were chosen randomly, then it would be logical that you would get just as many wins as losses (or at least a somewhat close proximity), but for almost two days straight now, I haven't won one single match, and I'm not exaggerating. I'm still most often at the top of the team when you look at the ending results. I'm healing my little heart away, and getting good scores in the end. I'm also getting a LOT of MVP points. I understand the objectives and end up getting pretty good points for that as well. I know I'm doing good in these arenas, so why haven't I won even one match the last couple days? How is it that I'm getting teamed up with so many people who are obviously new to PVP while the other team has so many players that are obviously PVP veterans? If the teams are chosen randomly, am I really just that unlucky? It seems with SWTOR PVP, there are good days, and bad days, but even during bad days you still get a win here and there. I've never had a two day losing streak before, and it's just about broken my spirit. As I said, I'm just about done with the game. Can anyone please explain the mechanics behind PVP for me? Most specifically, how these teams are chosen. I thought I'd mention another thing I've noticed happening a lot recently. Quite a few people have been starting to go into matches now, find a quiet corner, and hide the whole time. This seems to be a new fad, and it's becoming more and more common. This is ruining the game for everyone else who actually enjoys PVP. It would be nice if they could incorporate a function to where you're kicked from the team after a certain amount of inactivity. It's happening more and more. Something else that has started to happen lately is people are giving up half way through a match and just congregating at a turret or pylon. Again, it totally takes the fun away from everyone else. These issues are happening often enough that it's getting to a point that something should be done about it.

So I start off by initiating the fight, get a few hits in, run when the red rings come up, then take out the droids when they come out. After that I can't shoot anymore (I'm a sniper). My gun doesn't work, and I can barely move. I have a feeling it's a bug cause I've tried defeating this guy numerous times, and some rounds I can move and shoot easier than others. Sometimes I can't move or shoot at all and I'm killed within seconds. I rarely have a chance to actually shoot Archon, and those lucky occasions when I do get to shoot him and I finally get his life low, I get warped to the middle of room where a giant red laser takes me out almost instantly. Other times I can get out of the way quick enough, but not often. I've taken out the generator in the back of the room, but it doesn't seem to do any good. I'm at a loss. My biggest concern is that after a certain point, I can't shoot my gun or move; is this a bug? Or is there something I'm not doing? I've tried asking for help in game, and was answered by trolls who said my problem is that I suck. I've never had problems before this though, and I seem to hold my own pretty well in PVP, so I feel like either my problem is a bug, or there's something I should be doing, but I'm not. Like maybe there's some other generator somewhere? I don't know. Any input is welcome. And p.s. - When are they gonna get an official quest guide? Like one that has details? Or is there one already?