Ok so I drop the word genetics and say "being a guy makes it more likely imo to take these games more serious" . When I say genetics I meant like hormones and stuff, the things that make males fight each other and stuff, get really angry etc, you know what I'm saying? The things that separates the sexes biologically ( I'm ok to say that? ) Maybe genetics is the wrong word here, but I still think guys, for whatever reason, take these games more seriously, and I think it's coz they are born that way, so whatever word I'm looking for here I don't know what it is.

I said I think guys are genetically predisposed to take these games more seriously than females, NOT to enjoy games in general. I'm pretty sure my wording always says "takes these games more seriously", so I'm not sure why you think I mean gaming in general. Like the first guy read my post wrong or something and everyone went with it. I think genetics do play a part, it's my opinion, I don't recall stating it as fact either, neither do I recall saying that social conditioning is bollocks. The burn thing was a joke btw. I don't really think that everyone wants to get me and silence me for my wacky, outlandish opinions.

I honestly had a 5 min rage , when I put on my bit butt robes for the first time. I was like..how the feck could this get into the final game? Am I gonna have to wear this ***** at lvl 50? Why does it bulge so? Then I got a cool cloak thing that looked like something outta return of the Jedi and all was well. But they gotta change that.

Wow didn't know it was solid snake, I thought I recognised the voice but couldn't place it.

Definatly hitting some nerves here...I'm not trying to offend I still don't think that both sexes are just the same, or equally share the same interests, I still think that more guys take these games seriously than girls. "guys and girls are geneticly different and like things in different ways, didn't you know?" "buuurrrnnn him!!!! Protect the femalesss!!" C'mon people

I'm talking about more guys taking these kind of games (mmos) more seriously than females because of testosterone and stuff, not the appeal of all gaming to females. Guys are geneticly way more competitive and...you know....I dunno..is it really that hard to believe that more guys than girls would find these games appealing? Again, talking grind fest mmo's here, not gaming as an entertainment form.

I stand by what I say. More guys take these games seriously , kinda the same way more guys like competitive sports, or is that not true either? I think genetics does matter here, if not, why don't they just market it strongly towards females instead/as well. I think because it would be a hard sell, compared to selling games that attract females easier. the guild master who I talked about was pretty much the only female I met who was serious throughout my time playing wow. The few other females were gfs and wives of players who really didn't give a crap and just played for fun, often not logging for weeks. If that bothers you or contradicts my statements then I don't know. I just don't buy it, I see too many annoying MALES bragging, arguing , epeen measuring , raging etc all the freaking time in these games, that I have to believe its something that guys are very much naturally drawn to. To say that there arent genetic differences between the sexes, that make us like different things is wrong in my opinion. I mean there I soooo many things my fiancée does that I can't stand to do because they are girl things. Some guys love clothes shopping but most don't...I hate it....sure not every woman likes it, but would it be wrong to assume that MORE women like clothes shopping than men? I don't think so anyway.

I think there are way MORE guys who are into the hardcore side of these games than girls. I think these games appeal MORE to young males rather than young females, because it evolves lot of things males are more naturally attracted to (competition, power, violence, grandeur ) ...but of course there are lots of females who enjoy it too!! I used the school age thing because you know , kids/ teens love video games and it's ingrained into young male culture to the point it's almost a lifestyle, where it's not so much in female culture (The way these mmo games are marketed etc) . You think more teen girls are going home to play mmo's than boys? Thats my point , I'm not trying to be negative about it, I just think its true. My old female guild master cared too much to the point it was obsession and unhealthy. My fiancée plays for and hour and gets enough enjoyment out of that. I've seen both ends and sure, it applies to both males and females, I just think naturally/geneticly guys are more inclined to take stupid games too seriously where, 99% of the females I know at least, couldn't give a flying f*** This has nothing to do with the skill of the individual players.

I dont think there are no girls who want to master the game, I think the average girl doesn't give a crap. Not the average female gamer, the average female. Ofc there are girls who take the game seriously, but I don't believe the number is anywhere close to males. How many school girls do you think go home and raid/pvp compared to schoolboys? Do any of you REALLY think there are more school age girls doing progression content than school age boys? Why is this?

Thx for your impressions. Im hoping by the time I've finished all the stories on my chars there will be lots more to do in end game. I really liked the five man heroics of wow , as there were so many of them it was fun for me to just run thru a bunch as different specs and just get tons of gold and points for gear. Im not saying swtor should just copy the exact same formula as wow,but the 5 mans were definatly my fav aspect of wow. I hope they keep bringing more flashpoints and get a dungeon group finder going soon. Then swtor will be the most powerful game in the galaxy. Oh and bring dual spec dammit, I want to heal/tank groups and solo as dps!

I guess I'm talking about general attitudes towards wow/swtor from my personal experiences,and the whole 'picking on girls' thing is something ive thankfully not had to witness personally. I think it comes down to these idiots feeling they can get away with it because online they are some what anonymous. I'd be very surprised if that's how they talked to their female peers in real life, I'd guess most of them wouldn't dare. Not sure how to fix it other than enabling some way of naming and shaming gamers for there abuse ( facebook etc)Non gamers aren't going to care tht you have crap dps or that you are a ninja looter or whatever, but I bet they would look at you very different if they found out you sent your evenings harassing females. I wouldn't force such a system..but it might work if such a thing was even possible.

Someone want to sum up what's wrong with the end game? I'm not there yet so I don't know how many lvl 50 flashpoints and operations there are. I keep hearing there is nothing to do except repeat them ,and there is nothing more to work towards.

Yea totally, the guild master of my old wow guild was a crazy Dutch woman who would scream orders at us while she tanked the raids, while I was healing, so yea you are right ofc. I still think there are way more males who take these games more seriously than females tho. I don't have any kind of facts or stats to back it up, but I think we all know it's true.

Having played a female human in wow for years, I know not to presume a female character is actually a female character in real life. I admit I always assume male characters are males tho... I was never treated badly, but was sometimes "hit on" or given special treatment randomly before my actual gender was known. Ive played mmo's for years with my partner and she favours ranged dps. She did Mage and hunter in wow and is a Jedi sage i swtor. She wants to stand back and cast, doesn't want to get close to the bad guys, would never play melee or tank class and doesn't like healing groups, but will happily heal my *** up when I'm about to die. Favourate part of the game? Deciding which conversation options to take and enjoy the story line..also smashing rocks into people and crushing minds with the force. The lore is very appealing to her. Are all girls like that? Of course not. My point? Don't have one. I will say one thing tho, she has no 'lust for power', she doesn't have aspirations of being the best at her class or anything like that, she just enjoys doing the quests , killing stuff and seeing the story unfold. ie just fun Myself on the other hand, I do strive to be better, to get the best gear, to master the game mechanics to the point I feel I'm 'better' than everyone else etc even tho I'm not. Just like in wow I want to be the tank, I want to be the leader of the group, I want the responsibility and respect etc. That is the difference between the average female and male player in my humble opinion. May the force be with you

No not bored yet . Playing a Jedi guardian lvl 32 , bounty hunter lvl 9 and my favourite ....sith sorcerer lvl 16 I played wow for years , still subbed but almost expired. Swtor is close enough in gameplay to wow I'm getting my wow fix but in the star wars universe, which I enjoy more than wow. I didn't raid in wow, only did the heroics so end game progression isn't an aspect of the game I'm interested in, but I do think it's important that end game appeals to players who want it My personal enjoyment really comes down to the story telling + wow gameplay. I play with my partner and we are essentially playing an epic co-op story driven rpg with wow gameplay... And I love it. Still , I agree with most of the criticisms the game receives. To really thrive as an mmo it's gonna need to bring the end game, but the levelling experience is the best I've ever experienced in an mmo.