I am baffled by everyones posts here. You can tell everyone who is a premade player posting in this thread. Of course life is grand when your winning. Of course the patch is awsome when you have a group of consistant players you can hop on vent with and destroy an opposing pug team. The bottom line is this; No new/casual player is going to hop into wz's and be farmed for months. Ask all the new people who quit warhammer once they reached t4. Below are all the reasons this current pvp system supports the above statement. - Allowing premades vs pugs just causes players to be farmed (believe it or not there is more casual players then the hard core elites) - The lack of rewards for losing defeats the purpose of queing for all of us poor slobs who are being farmed by you elite premades. There is no ignoring these glaring issues. It has killed games in the past it will kill this game as well pvp wise that is. People play games for fun not to be frustrated and unhappy. This is a mmo you need to appeal the game to everyone whether they suck or rock or are somewhere inbetween, as the fundamental concept to a MMO is a large PLAYER base. Its unbelievable that even the rich get richer and the poor get poorer concept applies in mmo mentality these days. Flame all you want but anyone with an iq over 1 knows im right. heck ask any 5 year old kid and they will tell you the your elitist ideals are wrong.