I agree with the 'regular Trooper' feeling but I disagree with the Assault Cannon. We're meant to be essentially Spec Ops, an initial Strike team type Soldier. We should have compact weaponry imho. The problem lies in our skill trees i firmly believe. Were they redesigned with that above statement in mind we have a chance at really specializing the class (and its mirror) to a unique, enjoyable - and most importantly playable- class. I've played since launch. My first toon was this Vanguard, and even then I found him (fun) but flawed in design. Here's hoping that they at least listen to the players an take a good hard look at the class as a whole and its viability to the current game. I don't need OP, or 2 shot kills or anything else...I just need to feel like a Vanguard, not an Ewok.

As it stands, this class serves zero purpose. There are far better dps classes, we can't heal, and we even get out tanked by far. My 55 VG is literally game fodder and of no use for either PvP or PvE :/ A drastic redesign should be well in order. The class is beyond broken. Here's some initial thoughts (wishlist blue sky thinking) ; Specialize us. - Some of our more useful skills (in PvP) are our PBAOE skills. Focus that, make a pbaoe heavy skill tree. Some pbaoes to damage, some to CC, Boosted area coverage, less area coverage but with boosted damage, pbaoe 'Rescue Allies' skill that clears CC on all nearby teammates, etc - If we're meant to be front-line as our name suggests, make it so we can get there. 1 CC break is nothing, even with resolve. Storm is great, and so is harpoon, but really if I'm supposed to be up in the enemies face, or shielding/saving that healer.... let me skill to get to them - Speaking of saving that healer; A DoT skilltree seems silly for this class to me. I need burst and i need to move. Am I supposed to hope my DoTs kill the enemy faster that they kill my healer? - Cull some of the ranged skills in favor of more in your face stuff. I'd love to see some sort of treeline akin to the Gunslingers Independent Anarchy, Contingency Charges, Insurrection line. All in all I do enjoy this game, but you've obliterated my first class. Thought if i was going to complain, I'd do so with some suggestions added.

Ha I guess i'm wayyyyy out of the loop on this game. I thought things like Rule of Two and the new speed boost from Shien would stack etc. That was apparently the least of my build issues Cheers for the response, and alternatives

Hey all...I'm just back to the game and already bored of my Jugg. Time for a fresh (hopefully fun) revamp. I'm thinking of trying out this mish-mash spec and am looking for any thoughts or suggestions where i may have utterly overlooked something etc. A few things first; - I mostly PvP and Class Quest - I don't need to top charts, just at least be useful to my team and detrimental to the other. - I'm more into having fun and having my avatar feel and act as I think they would rather than crunching numbers and being "optimal" at the expense of the former. ( yes I realize that statement alone contradicts my wanting to be a useful team member...) The thought here is that I can run Shien form and get a bit of a dmg boost while still being semi tanky (the 2 points in Warmonger are wasted to get to the next tier) http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#101GrordzMRMbZcGroMzzZb.3 Meh, I dunno...thoughts? TL;DR - Can I have my cake and eat it too?

Very cool look. I was thinking last night.. and i haven't remembered to check this in game... but is there a class/armor restriction? Because BH's also wear heavy armor so it stands to reason you could get a cool looking empty orange moddable BH helm for your Jugg then mod it up with Str/End or whatever. If thats the case... im crazy excited. Probably restricted though.

but he'd be using Combustible Gas Cylinder that he specced in Pyro, not High Energy Cylinder that Pneumatic Boots needs