The point is.... regardless of where you are in the storyline, regardless of who you are grouped with, there is no reason you shouldn't just be able to queue for the MM version of the FP and have no issues..... It's just yet another bug from our good friends at Bioware...... Guaranteed, one to come with every f'n patch.

Why can't we just form a group and walk into the new FP in HM??? Finished up a raid tonight, broke our raid group up into 2 4 man's and figured, sure, new fp, why not give it a go...... After having it red x'd in group finder for anyone that hadn't done it already in solo mode, and then trying to just walk in, we all left in frustration. Anyone who hadn't done it in solo first apparently couldn't do it in HM?!?!?!? Why on earth would you not allow someone to just group for a HM regardless? That should at the very least be a choice....... Does this also mean we HAVE to do it in SM on all our alts as well??? Yet another half baked and ridiculous bug..... When are you guy's going to learn???? And after a postponed release........ Any chance you guy's are hiring for beta testing?? Something tells me our raid group would do a better job of it than whoever is running it at the moment.......

Of course not.... Just simply addressing what WOULD have been better.... Were there problems before 4.0? Sure, but it certainly wasn't as bad as the continual mass exodus we have seen since 4.0 dropped. Hardly anything for PVP, what will likely end up being a 3 year wait before finally getting a single full new operation, things such as the DvL event which just regurgitated already overplayed content, and a sub-par and buggy (considered such by even the story based players) story line that bored most players to tears, and came at a rate that made the majority of the subs wonder why they bothered paying for 20-40 mins of content a month. And some people still wonder why most of us feel like we are just rearranging the deck chairs at this point??

Translated literally..... 20-40 mins of new content followed by a month's wait, or the option to repeat it again, and again, and again on alt's....... Translated literally..... A chance to re-run the already tired op's the game provided with absolutely no new raid content. Even though there was a gear grind......... Shorter, yes, but still a gear grind. A return to 3.0 type content release?? New planets, story, 2 full raids, fp's, and gearing??? Almost all at once?? Even a bit of PVP content just a bit later on??? Tell me which sounds better?? What I just listed, released every year, or the hell we have been in since 4.0??

Any word on making the coins legacy?? So we can just consolidate and play them on one toon rather than having to run multiples out there?? I mean, what's the point of them not being? All the rewards are legacy shareable anyway..... And on a side note..... for what seems like YEARS now..... Why are we still being returned to the bowels of fleet rather than an actual point of origin, such as a stronghold, after FP's and such..... Is this honestly such a hard bug to fix??

They swapped out the evil sith hamsters running Harbinger and stuffed them into JC.....Cantankerous little bastards.

Enough with the dramatics.... New servers, new data center, whatever the reason, it happens.... And no, speaking as someone who has been here since launch, this hasn't been a regular occurrence for east coast servers. We have been pretty much trouble free for years as far as outages.

Woot.... it's the JC hamster sith at fault..... For once they beat the Harbinger hamsters in server sabotage.

Server B down!!

Best option?? THEORETICAL OPTION 3.....SPECIFIC 248 TOKEN DROP ON EACH NiM/MM BOSS!!! But of course, since you seem damned and determined to make the PVE community PVP for BiS, and you didn't give us that option to choose from..... Option 2.

And why pray tell, are the DvL tunings labeled as cartel market items???

W..in..T...actual..F is up with the not being able to move legacy items with cartel market ( my tunings were rewards from DvL, NOT CARTEL MARKET ITEMS AND ARE LABELED AS SUCH ANYWAY) tunings or crystals in them??? WHAT WERE YOU THINKING????? Jesus, the new levels of stupidity you guy's go to sometimes are just astounding.

Agreed, but I would add the caveat that it be class based, not spec based. A skilled player should know all the specs on the class he's running through NiM ops, and swap when it's fight dependent. But yes, even with that caveat, there are still grouping issues for NiM content due to DPS hurdles post nerf. Still Waiting for the dev team to post the stream of that all Sorc/Sage run of NiM DP we have been calling for....... THE COMMUNITY IS WAITING ERIC!!!!

So.... The basic TLDR from this set of "communication" is this..... We aren't doing anything different than we originally stated regardless of any feedback, helpful or not, left in the related threads..... That about sum it up??

This is likely going to go like the class change threads go..... So basically, they release the info in support of their new "communication policy", they give us no more communication, the community banters about it, then they go through with whatever they decided in the first place regardless of said banter....Even the updated post regarding their lack of communication on class changes basically said just that......

That's simply not the case with the PVE community as a whole..... They started leaving in droves after 4.0 and it had nothing to do with gear. They left for the same reason everyone is slowly leaving this game.... Not the gear, not the bolster, but the lack of endgame content. The slow production of PVP content and PVE raids has been the continual downfall of this game. You can only PVP novare coast and hypergate so many times before your eyes bleed. Same with killing Revan or NiM DP. Compound this with Bioware telling the PVE community that they aren't getting 2 new raids in 5.0, but only 1, released piecemeal over the back end of the year, and yeah, that seals the deal...... It's lack of content, period.

Because bolster and ease of gearing are intrinsically tied together. Unlike some people who have constantly devolved into crying about how there should be no bolster/gear difference (even though that's not even an option given to choose from, and goes directly against Bioware's stated direction), some of us have given our reasons for why we think gearing is currently a pretty quick process, why bolster is pretty much a non issue, and defended said reasons against accusations that bolster is unfair or the grind is too difficult. Personally I think bolster is fine at 238, as that's better than what you receive in SM ops and just a tad under the gear in HM op's. Other's feel it should be 242, but that would leave the PVP'ers in the unique position of not having to do anything other than PVP for gear, so that tends to get a rise out of the PVE'ers, and some PVP'ers who want a gear grind, and who feel the grind should be even across the board. It also means, in the case of a 238 bolster, that for the most part you're going to have people from both camps doing both activities, which for a dying game, weather we like it or not, is a good thing. The server pop discussions come when you have other bogus claims that PVP players are leaving in droves due exclusively to bolster and the gear difference, which is pretty laughable as according to the same people they apparently weren't leaving in the same numbers under 4.0 (ya know, when there was a gearing difference and bolster system). The only difference in 4.0 being that the gear came quicker and was earned exclusively through one activity (another thing Bioware apparently doesn't want to revert back to).

"because we found Engineering / Saboteur was swimming in too much energy" Errrrr..... WHAT???? "We didn’t like that Engineering / Saboteur players might sometimes need to choose between using Takedown / Quickdraw to deal damage or Snipe" Bioware.... Do you even Engi???? The plasma probe changes for movement make sense, the damage output nerf is bearable, but the two quotes above make you sound like you have absolutely no clue what in the hell you're talking about when it comes to this spec. It's already an energy negative rotation as is at the proper APM...... If we are supposed to be swimming in energy, please do inform us of what crazy rotation you guys are testing with, because whatever it is, it's certainly not the most efficient, nor the one myself and every Engi sniper I know plays. Or are you just analyzing dummy parses?? Snipe and takedown are rarely if ever used in a PVE boss encounter..... Come on guys, get your shtuff together on this......

I have stated multiple times that the overall population of the game is down...smh... Again, it's not just PVP players though..... Between primarily the lack of content, compounded with the CXP system in 5.0 (especially with the grind at launch of said system) It's been dropping steady since 4.0. I would even go so far as to say it's not a majority of PVP players that left, but that part is an opinion only. But I don't think bolster is a major deciding factor in any of that. You're welcome to disagree.

LOLZ..... Yes, and no one ever get's wrecked in regs with 248 gear on, NEVER EVER by a player with lesser gear..... They B gods.....

TLDR = continued trolling..... Keep working those fingers though. HM.... not NiM......You can't even get the details right.....And after THIS many posts..... Yet you still wonder why your arguments are no longer worth addressing.

So.... three options, one of which would give you a full 242 set in one night, one that might, and one that would be up to the other like minded players as to the speed..... take too long??? Depends on what you think is too long. Are you still going to contend it's not possible, or viable? Is there a reason why I continually have to repeat these options to you?? An IQ issue perhaps? What more evidence do you need my poor child???...... I've given you three options to do it, the specific op's to run, The specific gear that drops, and the time it takes to do the task..... Do you want me to hold your hand through it as well? ..... Which server are you on again? Would you like me to talk to the guilds for you?? Is it an anti-social issue you need to overcome for this to be an option? Already have...... Not what I said at all..... please.... at least get the idea right when attempting to argue with it..... If you have the credits or resources available, the option is a perfectly available and viable one. Again.... already have.... It's almost like you're trying to be an internet hipster at this point..... "strawman" this, "Ad hominem" that...... Keep tossing out those buzzwords. ..... Don't meltdown, it'll be ok..... And that's already discounted by what Bioware has stated in options and direction......So..... Again.... What's your point?? lol..... Your option isn't an option......smh Makes it more challenging and fun for me personally, and the bolster isn't that big of an issue..... As I have already stated......again.... and again..... and again.... And as per the usual.... the rest of your post is more trollbait or repeated and arguments based solely on your differing opinion..... so yeah..... Come back to the table when you have something new to offer.....At this point you're simply going to great and long winded lengths to essentially say "nuh uh"

Told you how to do it, that it would take resources, and how long to do it.... lol.... Those resources could be paying a guild, finding a pvp guild that will gear you, or finding like minded players that you team with. Apparently you missed all that and want to continue your banter regardless. Already given it.... multiple times.... it just appears you refuse to take any option that doesn't agree with your agenda or viewpoint. Which is quite hilarious in the long run as it looks as if you're leaving regardless. Three options, listed above.....smh.... Most people who have been playing this game for an extended time have credits to burn though, so my first suggestion still stands..... I would just hire a guild to run you through..... Already have posted the information for the run in an above post...... The money would be determined by the guild you paid to do it...... 35 mil would be a nice round figure though. 5 mil a player for a little over 2 hours work sounds fair. Ask around.... lol Which is another hilarious contention as you don't HAVE to grind to do anything.... lol That advantage is not defining.... I'm just getting the impression that you're just plain bad at this point. Right.....So what you're saying is... in the really rare instance where you meet a player of the same class in a 1v1, bolster is going to make a very small difference...... Right..... so 99.999999% of the time, it won't. Thanks for making my point. Funny.... it's quite the opisite as you stated clearly above...... Look at all the circumstances that would have to line up just for your precious bolster to make a small difference...... Happens in regs ALL the time..... so yeah..... Are you sure you're into this PVP thing?? Mabey you have it mistaken for planetary dailies that kicking your rump.... lol Oh my.... I feel SO put in my place......LMAO...... Pardon me while I take a bit longer to finish this post as I am having trouble seeing through the tears of laughter...... This has already been covered ad nauseam....... At this point you're simply trolling. Sounds like you're done regardless..... We have a handful of people like yourself whining against the machine in hope that they will listen to an option that isn't even one they presented as a viable option and goes directly against the stated direction of the game. Good luck with that.......

But that's the point.... we have always had this regardless. And I honestly doubt there is any more now than there always was. Again, neither you nor I can prove with hard data otherwise though.

Yes, I totally agree.... But again, that goes for both pve and pvp. If I want to min/max an alt for pve I have one hell of a pvp grind ahead of me. I do both as well, and agree. The main stumbling block being, bioware isn't changing by their own admission. Even if PVP get's the absolute best option presented, it's only 242 bolster. Agreed. But that isn't the case anyway as you can gear an alt in 242-248 mods and enhancements through crate overflow already. This caters to both crowds, and offsets your next issue. Teamed with the CXP legacy wide boost, and running CXP boosters I really don't understand the complaints about time to gear at all. But again, outgunned by bolster, balance, skill, or teamwork??? What contributes to 99.9999999% of all lost PVP matches the most out of those?? I think the bolster issue is easily the least important of the bunch, and of so much less consequence that it's almost a non issue entirely. I agree.... But as you have stated, the system is what it is with no change in sight...... So it's again a moot point even discussing it when a total revamp isn't on the table. Be honest though, do we really have THAT many more unhappy PVP'ers due to bolster than we have unhappy PVP'ers normally?? Honestly, when I look over the forums, I just don't see it. Especially when you take into account that the vast majority of people that are fine with the bolster as is won't even bother commenting. And you know as well as I do if you have been here since launch, that people will complain regardless. This is really the only place I take exception with you. I honestly don't think we are the exception to the rule. If you totalled up the entire amount of negative posters regarding this issue, I would honestly bet you wouldn't crack 10% of the PVP community. I can't prove that, nor can you prove me wrong, but I think we can both agree it's likely not even enough to constitute the PVP community on a single server. Again, I take issue with the fact that you say PVP'ers aren't interested in any of that. Most wouldn't bother commenting in the thread as they think it's perfectly fine the way it is. But even then, some have, so what does that tell you? Just a thought..... Not to re-argue the point, but just to put the 2 1/2 hour thing to bed with actual answers for people who are curious..... With a skilled group running you through, and this would be barring anyone that could use OH for MH, such as a mara. TFB HM.... Belt/relic/Helm/Implant.....Skip Terror......Roughly 30 mins.... EC HM Toth/Zorn only, skip trash and get the speeder.... 2nd implant.... Less than 10 mins..... SnV HM full run..... Bracers/Gloves/Implant/Legs/Relic/Chest/MainHand.... Roughly Hour and 15 mins...... EV HM stealthing trash of course..... Belt/Gloves/Ear/Boots/Offhand ...... Roughly 40 mins...... That's roughly what, 2:35 for a full 242 set? But hell, let's say even 3 hours..... Most groups I run with all run in 2 to 3 hour blocks and can accomplish this pretty easily in one night. We literally did this very thing the other night for my PT tank. I would imagine any NiM progression group could easily do, and are doing the same. I respectfully disagree..... But again, it's pretty much pointless where either of us fall on that as per the stated course by bioware of gearing being a requirement of all the proposed possible solutions.