It's supposed to. You're not supposed to be able to just pick an enemy and kill them in every encounter. That's why Operatives were OPed.

Thought I'd post a follow up. Been playing tons of WZs and found although at first you do get facerolled pretty hard it doesn't really take long to start to become competitive. Having almost no dmg output really makes you a better player. I learned a ton about how to play Huttball well. You gotta when you can't dmg anyone. As I slowly began to collect more and more gear my dmg output went up and at this point I'm able to play pretty normally. The occasional battlemaster woops me but all in all, like I said, it's really not that bad. With the gear bayg changes from the most recent patch it should be very easy for any new 50 to become competitive quickly.

I think this questions should be addressed by the devs. I'm not sure how many people will be saving or spending but I think it prolly could generate a lot of QQ which could easily be addressed now by simply letting us know what will happen to bags gathered now and saved until after the patch.

That's pretty much where I am at this point. I think this is good advice. Ty.

If anyone is able to provide actuall evidence it would be much appreciated. Also, coloring your opinion red and underlining it doesn't make it more true. I appreciate your steadfastyness though!

Do you mean, yes, the bag you get pre-patch will change to the new loot system post-patch if you save them? Also, how do you know this? I'm having a discussion with some guildies on our forum and I'm just trying to find real clarification.

Maybe I'm not asking the questions correctly. Do you think that baygs collected before the adjustment will change to drop the higher commendation amounts after the adjustment?

With the PVP gear bayg (I like to say baygs like I'm from Minnesota) "Adjustments" right around the corner the question I'm asking, and have been unable to find an asnwer to here, is should we be saving Champion Gear baygs until the change or using them now?

Translation Fully geared guy blah blah it's not the gear that makes me good blah blah... Response Gear makes a difference. It doesn't make you good or bad at PVP if you don't have it or do. Translation You're dumb. Not me though. Response None. Although I may agree that the gear grind isn't extremely excessive trying to make a correlation between real life (RL) and a game is well... I mean... There are light-sabers... and ton-tons... Agreed.

Ya dude. I waste ppl while backing up. Anyone that says there's no skill involved simply doesn't like it when someone backing up pounds on them.

MVP gives you one commendation per vote. Don't sweat it dude. I appreciate healers and MVP em up whenever I can. Thank you!

Hahaha! He totally missed it.

GO AWAY AWEFUL AWEFUL MAN! It's ok Healers... I told the aweful man to go away. Shhhh.... : pets healers soothingly : Shhh... It's ok.

You're redicioulse!

Should we though? i've looked around and would like to get a more clear indicator of if bags saved pre-adjustment will drop the new loot system token amounts post adjustment.

I have none. I've seen a single youtube vid on this. Never seen it in game. It's not rampant. Ya. Happens this happened to me once. If you think the game's over at 50 well... This doesn't make any sense and is the QQ "I'M LEAVING" comment which pisses me off most often. Where are these game devs that release patches faster than this? This grevance is thoughtless, groundless, and pointless. In summation. I think you're wrong

Yes. It's ok because now I'm able to enjoy 4 *SHINK* noises instead of 2.

/vote to delete this thread

Thanks for the info! @gouak Derp...

This is not true. I'm not sure if it's smarter Operative play but I'm NEVER at full resolve when I'm initially stunned.

I'm not even going to read the wall of OPs text, just the thread title. I'm going to assume that you're upset by the "adjustment" and think that Ops aren't viable in PVP now. (Very few PvE QQs are ever posted) If you're having trouble with your Op in PVP then... you're either undergeared, a less skilled player, or just are upset that you can't burst kill anyone you'd like to anymore. Operative destroy my overpowered Sorc constantly so... Sorry dude. It's for the best.

I've never played an Op. I'll just say that upfront. I don't know a lot about how the class werks or what the skills are called. I do play a ton of PVP. This is how my fights with Op would go. Pre-"adjustments" I'm attacking someone. Stealthed Ops stuns me and bursts me for around 5k. (If my break is up I pop break) I'm stunned again instantly. *SHINK* *SHINK* dead. Post-"adjustment" I'm attacking someone. Stealthed Ops stuns me and bursts me for around 4k. (If my break is up I pop break) I'm stunned again. *SHINK* *SHINK* *SHINK* *SHINK* dead. See the difference? Def a big change. But seriously, I was chatting with some friends last night and the Op is the only class that I have no idea how to counter/kill. I'm 50 now and only have a couple pieces of gear but... I can literally do nothing to a Op that gets the drop on me. If I break after the first stun - Try to stun back/sprint/knockback do something but me effeorts just result ina seconde stun and death If I break after the second stun - At this point I'm at or below 1/2 health and my resolve is not full. Try to stun back/sprint/knockback do something but me efforts just result in a root/death or simply death. And if I break when my resolve if full? That's not possible because I'm dead. I'm sure there may be a bit of flame coming my way but I seriously want to know! How can a Sorc beat a Op? The only viable option I've found is to try and target them every time I see them unstealthed before they ever attack me.

Another one of these? -1

Tumult is a joke skill. You'll have to pop a CD to use it solo and you'll have to be within melee range. Not useful. The only time I ever use it is when I'm PVPing and IF the target happens to be stunned(not by me). It is kinda funny to kill a player with it though. KIAI!

Ya! I bet these devs spend so much time tring to figure out ways to make the game suck. You know it's all they think about. I mean, CMON! Stop changing the game the way you see fit and start listening to this guy! Oh wait... he didn't really say anything.