There is one thing you are all missing here. This impromptu, spur of the moment, half-joke, conversation began in Mumble and culminated in a resurgence of PVP within our own guild. And it was FUN! Lords of War started on "The Maw" at launch. During our first rise to 50 as a guild we began to dominate PVP by consistently queuing together and working as a team. When we moved over the Bastion, our focus shifted to PVE and we just recently went 3/4 on EC NiM. And all of this while still classifying ourselves as a chill guild; that does not require attendance or rain fire from the sky for leveling an alt or PvP'ing that 41 Operative during a raid night. I for one had a blast taking down those turrets which was a DPS race, and then running up to any Pub we saw and saying "Join the Darkside!" and then force choking him to death if he ran. If you consider that the main reason I rolled a Sith Juggernaut (Vader fan) I would say that is where I would like to spend my $15 a month. Thank you very much. Darth Malett Lvl 50 Sith Juggernaut (Malet on Maw) Lords of War http://www.torlordsofwar.com/