I'm interacting with your post. I'm attempting to create a dialogue with another player who clearly also has some love for the last bits of PvP this game has. Do you not think it possible that there are many problems with PvP, and not just premades? Because I do. It's a disservice to everyone involved in the PvP community to scrutinize, villainize, and ostracize folks who join premades. It whittles down the argument to: if you solo queue, you're "better" and "legitimate", and if you queue premade, you are the problem and I don't like you. That has been a huge part of my experience coming back to this game the last several months, and quite frankly, it's why I refuse to queue as a healer without friends now. The PvP community at large - probably those who would agree with you - do not care about teamwork, objectives, or supporting their healers. Until we have better solutions where hardcore PvPers feel more comfortable queuing solo because they can trust that they won't queue in with selfish doorknobs, premades will persist. But hey, you're free to ignore me, not read this, or cry about it. I'm perfectly capable of carrying on a conversation and debate without getting defensive right off the bat, though.

Queuing solo as a healer is often a miserable experience regardless of what kind of premade or composition is present on the other team. Even the stupid among the PvP population can understand "kill healer." Additionally, the server populations cannot handle different queues. I responded to your previous, almost identical post about premades what, a couple weeks ago? I noticed you didn't respond to anyone discussing the other problems present in the PvP community. Are you going to keep posting nearly identical topics until you get enough people and conversation to validate an echo chamber that has already existed for years?

I feel like there needs to be a rule about how often a topic complaining about premades should crop up at this point. This is at least the third new one I'm seeing (with one that got deleted) in a week, and I only check these forums maybe once every few days. I get it. I came back from a very long break from the game, super stoked to be PvPing again. Unfortunately, I learned rather quickly that many things had shifted in the several years since I had seriously played the game and its PvP. Number farming, weird and strangely super personal toxic behavior (I mean let's be real, that's PvP in general, but it feels like it's dialed up a notch now), and playing to win and doing objectives is now considered tryharding. Inherent PvP knowledge that I took for granted back in the day doesn't exist anymore: I can't trust that someone with the BiS gear knows that they can, in fact, taunt and not cause someone to attack them. I can't trust that they know how to call out, I have no clue if they're aware they can copy/paste "help inc W" so that they don't stand there with their pants down getting globaled trying to type it out. I've been cussed out asking players to consider taunting, to help their healers. I've been told "no thanks, I'm just here for rewards" when asking someone if they'd like tips. Things that myself and probably many other PvPers consider the basics are well and truly gone and not coming back with the current playerbase. I could count on some of the worst players to at least have a modicum of situational awareness before; now it's almost like many revel in their decision to play as average as they possibly can. If you flip that mindset to me asking people to take me along for a Master Mode operation without the proper gear, skillset, and boss knowledge, well, I'm fairly certain it would be taken as the negative that it rightfully is. There was a time when I was proud that I would solo queue as a healer. After returning, all it got me was being cussed out asking for help, absolutely no support from most teams, toxic crap from the other team if I dared to queue with a tank (you know, that class that's supposed to soak up damage for someone else, mechanically?) It was pretty gross all around. 9, 10, 11, 12+ mil damage taken, every game. Accused of ruining matchmaking if I went with a tank, accused of being in a premade when I'm solo, accused of anything under the sun when I simply display actual competency as a PvPer. It's like the playerbase wants healers to keel over the moment someone targets them, and if they don't, it's time for you to be their new verbal plaything. Healers are not in a great spot, and while I can kite and bob and weave and LoS like the rest of my good healer folk, it's not going to save us for more than a few seconds when a couple of decent PvPers pick us out of a crowd. I absolutely agree that premades are a problem - 8-man queue should never have existed. More probably could have been attempted to revitalize and detoxify ranked. I've gone up against some seriously rough matches by myself, and I just blow a kiss and keep on keeping on. There's nothing I can do about it, and quitting the match shows that it got to me, and I'm not about that life. But if we're going to continually have post after post about the state of PvP being solely due to premades, we really need to have a come to space jesus moment about why many players have them. Sure, some are there to dominate, number farm, be jerks and blow off RL steam, whatever, nothing you can do. But a lot of players, such as myself, got sick of being harassed, belittled, and tunneled with absolutely zero care from their team - the solo queuers who constantly purport to be the only victims. I got that harassment whether I was solo or not, didn't matter if I did a single thing to warrant it - I went in a premade that one time, I'm now the new target to players who have never personally met me (but who have most certainly benefitted from my heals in matches gone by.) I came to the decision that if I was going to be treated and supported poorly no matter what, I'd rather do it with competent friends on my team to cut down on the harassment and focus fire. Because you know what? Solo queuers are oddly quiet when a premade of a few players are helping them get their weeklies done quicker.