But but but but..... I'm not finished yet:rak_01:

I second this motion.

Bring back old project animation!!!

To make it a bit more fun, for those that want quality over quantity, how about an option to have 2 heavy capital ships, instead of 2 light and a heavy?

Lol, that comic says that Sidious was the most powerful sith, In modern times #Vitiateisbetterconfirmed #Sidiousisnumbertwo #Legendwasright lolololololololololol:rak_01::rak_01:

What to do for six days...... I guess I'll go watch the entire Naruto Shippuden series in sub then dub. Or I can finish my RP game.... decisions decisions.

But its Wednesday. Alright.....I will try.

Now its fixed.

I think i fixed it.

What do you mean?

Selenial is MIA everyone. Panic shall ensue. BTW Gone Girl is only a little of an hour and a half IIRC so no excuses; its been a couple of days.

One thing I want to bring up, is that Satele has shown to have advanced precognitive abilities that were never wrong. With this ability, Satele will be able to sense impending danger, and can warn the others before it happens. Any sort of trick, or exploit that Malgus, Revan, or HK try to use will be foiled. Admittingly, this is probably where shatterpoint is believed to come from. Her ability to predict the future with such precision is probably believed by some to be shatterpoint. To a degree, I believe them, as it resembles shatterpoint.

I never said that they can respond back, only that she can talk to other in full sentences. That, coupled with her ability to read minds through her powerful Force Sense ability, can cause her to be a "hub" if you will for which she can coordinate the group. Your Welcome:rak_01: Has anyone other than Savage shown to even try to attack his mask? Savage had incredible reach do to his larger than normal body, and he is the only one to defeat him that way. Koon won't have his mask taken off by a mere droid. Sorry How So? What feats exactly were replicated? That is an extremely vague quote. I mean, yea its hard to defeat Satele on Alderaan after she has been dead a long time and you blew up the freaking planet. Yup, hard to replicate that. Koon was defeated because his mask was taken off, which only Savage ever managed to do. Besides, Savage> or = Malgus. Malgus's lightning barely did anything to Jace, yet it did damage to a strangled Jedi knight. so we have an inconsistency. Koon is also significantly faster than Malgus, thus overcoming Djem So's weakness of mobility. That must have been painful to type....I'm sorry. But no, he is not. A force push would force him out of the shield, as it is only air, or she could get into the shield by lightsaber combat. The first part confuses me, I'm not sure what you are saying. For the second part......ummm no. Revan can not overpower the duo, Malgus is not superior to Plo Koon or Satele by any significant margin, and HK is a droid who is largely fallible because he is facing superior opponents.

I really, really, really did not want to bring up battle meditation, but I guess I probably should. Bastila is the strongest user of battle meditation in the star wars mythos. There is no source that says that a user must stay stationary in order to use the ability. Force Meld, a descendant ability of battle med, does not require the user to be immobile. Furthermore, in every instance of Bastila using her battle med, we see it used to influence entire fleets or armies, such a feat would require her to be far more concentrated than acting upon a few individuals. Bastila's battle meditation turns my whole team from being on or close to par, to being superior in every way. Along with the communication capabilities provided by Satele, my team will have perfect coordination. Meanwhile, Aurbere's team will begin to feel the effects of the powerful light side ability that Bastila is enacting.

-I was specifically talking about the duel on the temple of ancients, not on the star forge. While she did indeed lose on the Star forge, there is no evidence that she pulled from it at all. In fact, I’m not even sure it is a dark side nexus, it was just a dark side tool. For example, Korriban is steeped in the dark side, yet you can’t pull energy from it. It is the same for the forge. Bastila is also still recovering from the previous fight against Revan, where she fought him and Juhani and Jolee Bindo. We resolved this, however, I don’t think Revan can toss them around. That scene on Yavin 4, where everyone was thrown back, was due to Revan exerting a huge amount of energy. Nox did the same to Thanaton, even though Thanaton outclassed Nox at that point -Telekinetically attacked how? If you mean the throwback, I addressed that above. -Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Fisto was trained as a jedi consular, and it is likely that his force powers are greater than what he has displayed. Fisto is also incredibly proficient in force speed, allowing him to outmaneuver Revan. Fisto is incredibly fast, as seen in his fight against the JK droid in “Cestus Deception.” Revan should have been able to wipe the floor with them, he has far more impressive feats. Yet, he failed, and died. Revan has always had a bit of an overconfidence problem, that quote is clearly his ego speaking as nothing in the Foundry flashpoint suggested it was a close battle at all. I’m not dismissing his strength, merely that Revan has said a lot of things that are/were untrue. He thought HK could handle the strike team on the Foundry, and on TOA op, both times wrong. -Yes, she did “lose”, however, she has been shown to defeat other high caliber Sith, such as Darth Mekhis, and she stalemated Darth Baras. If you are trying to say she will be defeated in mere seconds, you are wrong. -It was a wookie quote, but I’m starting to question its validity. -ok -Was it the prime of the Jedi? I thought the PT era was. Outside of perhaps, 5 jedi, the era of Revan is not greatly impressive. He is the exception, not the rule. Kit wouldn’t win on that front alone, but lucky him he has Bastila. Also, Kit mastered Shi-Choo to its highest level, and then some. Revan has never faced someone with his specific skills before. Remember, for him, combat is random and unpredictable. Here describes the Form and Kit's application of it's raw, random, dangerously aggressive style when applied in combat. He even states that if immersed himself in the Force, it would amplify those traits in the form and himself, and that doing so is "The way of Form One". Kit sat heavily, his smooth green forearms resting on his knees, sensor tendrils curling and questing like a nest of angry sand vipers. “I should have gone closer to the edge,” he said, the irises within the unblinking eyes expanding until they appeared to glow. “Released myself into the Force, become more unpredictable. More … random. Obi-Wan heard the concern in the Nautolan’s voice. Form I was wild, raw … and deadly. It also required too much emotional heat for Obi-Wan’s taste. “That would have been dangerous,” he said, choosing his words carefully. “Not to your body, perhaps, but to your spirit.” Kit looked up at him, irises contracting again. “It is the way of Form One. -The Cestus Deception -Remember that this is also before his prime, if Kenobi got better over the course of the CW, then so did Kit. -Any holes Revan might use to exploit Kit, will be blocked by Bastila. Remember that this is a 2v1, Revan won’t have as many chances to exploit Kit. Like I said earlier, Kenobi could not find holes in his form, this being before both of their primes, he has only improved since then. Kit has shown to defeat the JK droids, droids who have precog abilities and can strategize in mid fight against him. This is just as impressive, if not more, than Revan’s echani battle abilities. Star Forge isn't a nexus, as I said earlier. -Alright -It is from a launch trailer, it is perfectly valid. BW would not have made it if they thought it was outside the realm of possibility. Its just as valid as any one of the three cinematics from before release. -Can he really? Eldon Ax couldn’t Satele Shan follows Eldon Ax around soundlessly without the latter sensing her presence. "Something dropped soundlessly behind her. She was up with lightsaber lit in an instant. "Impressive reflexes, " said Master Satele, to all appearances unconcerned by the possibility that Ax might have cut her in half. She hadn't even activated her own lightsaber. "Your peripheral vision could use some work, though. I've been on your tail ever since you landed." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance Her force speed was far above most. Satele Shan moves at a pace that is compared to a cannonball. "The corridor blurred. Master Satele preceded him like a cannonball, blowing the hex backward, out of the wreckage and into space." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance Satele Shan moves with such speed and precision it appears she vanished. "When he turned back, Satele Shan was gone, vanished into the night as though she had never been there at all." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance I'm not sure, most likely not. That was a copy/paste from an earlier draft of an argument, forgot that was in there. Again was part of a copy/paste I forgot to take out, its not relevant. Thats nice, except that her barrier is immensely powerful. - Her Barrier was powerful enough that not even the Hex droids could break through it, and it allowed her to survive in the vacuum of space. "Master Satele floated in a ball in the center of the room, her Force shield shimmering around her, a milky luminescence maintained barely a finger-span from her body... Master Satele's shield was undoubtedly strong enough to deflect anything the hex could throw at them, so he kept her ahead of him. His job was simply to move both of them-fast." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance Satele Shan can survive in the vacuum of space while protected by her Force Barrier. "I have a suit for you-" "I won't have a chance to put it on. There's no air lock. I'll keep a bubble of air around me using a Force shied. That'll give me a couple of minutes. ―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Fatal Alliance And I mean game mechanics are fair game too, right? Satele Shan casts a Force Barrier in her battle with Revan, leaving her greatly protected. "[satele Shan's] Force Barrier [is] immune to all damage, control, and negative effects." ―Star Wars: The Old Republic All I have to respond to, will do the remaining parts in a bit. Also, its nice to see we resolved our differences Aurbere, I didn't want to debate you with either of us constantly upset.

Alright, I'm going to stop right here until this negative temperament goes away. I don't know what I have done to make you so angry Aurbere, I have not been disregarding information, all I have been doing is presenting other feats that I think are valid. I am not going to continue debating you if you keep calling my arguments "garbage." It is completely uncalled for, and quite frankly, a bit hypocritical given some of the stuff you are attempting to use. You ask why I am not using battle med as an argument? Because I do not want to make it the basis for my team. In the hands of Bastila, battle med is a complete cheese ability, and I don't want to win because of it. That being said, unless you can cool off, I will be taking a day to distance myself from this debate. Despite the fact that I think some of your arguments are horrendous as sh*t, I haven't told you so out of respect for your character. This is not a concession on ANY of the points you have made, but I refuse to get angry because of a simple debate.

Wow Aurbere, quite the tantrum you threw there. I don't have time to respond right now, but what I basically read was the recipe for disaster. -4 cups (to many) Revan fanboism - 3 Tbs. blatant use of speculation to prove a game mechanic - 2 sticks of game mechanic - one whole complete disregard for feats that I have given. Let sit for a while and it turns into........ A miffed Aurbere's post!!!!

Alright Aubere, your time is up. Alternate Scenario: Koon vs Malgus/ Satele vs HK-47 This came to mind as an alternate scenario that could occur, if Satele decided she could not take on Maglus. In this matchup. Plo Koon is more than skilled enough to take on Malgus. Maul considered him a challenge on par with Windu, and he was regarded as one of the most dangerous of the order, and a challenge for any jedi. Thus, it comes down to who is the greater practitioner of Djem So. In my opinion, it is Koon. Not only does he have exceptional endurance, but Koon is also impressively fast. He can outmaneuver Malgus, and finish him off with his superior skills. Throw in his knowledge and application of Ataru, and he can, at minimum, stalemate Malgus. Satele vs HK Satele has a great deal of experience with deadly droids, she was seen single handedly wiping out hex droids, some extremely deadly droids, with a mere gesture. Along with her blinding speed and strong force application, Satele could win this fight before the others are through, and go and assist one of the others.

Sorry, I have family in town, so I don't know if I can keep a consistent pace of back and forth. This was all my initial argument that I just broke down into pieces.

Dad don't be so inappropriate.

Plo Koon vs HK-47. Plo Koon is simply too good to lose to HK. Koon has taken down/matched much better assassins than HK, namely Aurra Sing and Ventress. Not only this, but Plo Koon is considered one of the best jedi in the entire order, and earns even the respect of Maul. Koon is incredibly proficient with the force, he can force push someone without even facing them, he is incredibly fast, and he can even use force healing. Add to this the fact that he has a protective breathing mask, and incredibly strong Kel Dor skin, and any gas attacks from HK are nullified. Grenades and Mines are sloppy, and can result in the injury of an ally, or even oneself. A thrown grenade can very easily be pushed back, and any amount of time that HK uses to go and plant some is time that my team holds the advantage against Revan and Malgus in a 4v2. HK does not have the luxury of being able to pop in and out of stealth undetected. Remember, this is a desert. HK will kick up dirt or leave footprints where ever he steps. This simple indicator effectively nullifies HK's stealth. Then, in a straight up fight, HK will lose. He cannot fight against someone so fast and powerful as Plo Koon.

Sorry I was addressing Aubere not you EDIT: I was going to bring it up anyways before I saw you posted, so don't feel bad.

If you can type this well I doubt you are drunk. Or our definitions of drunk are different.

This, unless you can prove to me that HK had this stuff built in, then we have to assume he brought it externally, and he can not hold that much without weighing him down.

Satele vs Malgus Alright, this will be a hard one for sure, but first, lets clear up some misconceptions that might have arisen. First, Satele was hindered by the environment on Alderaan. Large trees bunched together make for a difficult terrain to handle. In the trailer, Satele does indeed fight on an equal footing. The tide only turns when her lightsaber is destroyed. Satele is not going to get backed up into a corner in this match. In a wide open terrain, Satele will not be on the back foot like on Alderaan. Should she find herself in a pickle, she can simply jump away and reengage. She could not do so on Alderaan, as there was too much going on. Satele can contend with Revan, and showed as much on Yavin 4 http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124590/4433571-3232365484-42699.gif I did not pick Satele simply for her skill in lightsaber combat, no, she is also a juggernaut in the force. Satele posseses abilities such as: Force Conceal Force Speed Shatterpoint Can influence Biological components (Hex droids) Force Barrier Force Stun Advanced Precognition Exceptional Force Speed Accomplished Telepath- Can read minds and communicate full sentences. Battle Meditation Powerful Tutaminis Satele has far more on the table than simply skill with a lightsaber. She is an accomplished telepath, able to communicate in full sentences to others. Like in the last match, my team will have unparalleled communication and teamwork skills based on the fact that everyone's thoughts can be shared through Satele.