ShadowMudkip
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I really don't care about banning Talzin or not, however, it would not make sense to not ban Revan or Vader if we ban Talzin. Talzin's only real specialty is her witchcraft (which takes immense preparation) and her force ability. Her overall tactics ability, lightsaber ability, and other abilities such as charisma/charm or the ability to inspire loyalty are all lower than Revan or Vader's.
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Why are Sel's layouts always superior to mine? I think she does that on purpose.
Sel defeats her opponents through pure mastery of formatting.
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Hey Aurbere, I won't be able to post my final argument till Thursday, had some family drama today that set me back and I'm too busy tomorrow to do it. Sorry again.
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Alright guess I might vote now.
So for Beni's team:
Beni, you did a great job arguing the effectiveness of your team, and I am really impressed. Unlike what others may think, I believe that both Maul and Dooku hold a slight edge in power over Kenobi and Windu respectively. That being said, I don't think that the difference is great enough to greatly affect the outcomes of either duels in a short period of time. Overall, you did a really great job and I don't really have any advice for you, except that you should have been a bit more aggressive in your debating, given Zoltan's aggressive debating style. I would have liked to see you argue more use of force application though.
Zoltan's team:
Very good job, I'm very impressed that you have gone toe to toe with Beni in this debate. You managed to debate very effectively the power of your team. I also don't really have any advice for you, as you also did very well, except for one little bit. I would caution against using those super ambiguous sources for abilities (Shaak Ti's battle med), those should really be thought of with less than a grain of salt, and thus, it has not convinced me that Shaak Ti can use battle meditation; unless another source can be found of course.
Overall, I am going to have to give the vote to Zoltan, for one of a few reasons. First, he argued the environment much better than Beni did, and brought up how certain aspects of both the Maul brother's anatomies would work against them in the marsh and thick mud. Additionally, Zoltan brought up great arguments involving Kenobi's Sokan and Shaak Ti's beast mastery. Lastly, Zoltan did a better job overall showing applications of force abilities, especially concerning Ti. Congratulations to the both of you though, this was a great match!
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Vader and Krayt shouldn't be banned tbh. Neither should Talzin.
Revan's a whole other matter though...
Edit: And what's with everyone taking Malgus' station. That's not a planet, it's a tiny station barely larger than a capital ship that can travel through hyperspace, stealth, and annihilate fleets. The thing is a *********** superweapon. If y'all get that, I want the Eclipse II.
That's too many asterisks for me to determine your colorful phrase.
EDIT: you have to admit its on the same level of cheese as Traya+Malachor V.
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So I came up with a better faction since it looks like Vader might be banned.
Head of State: Darth Malgus
Second in Command: General Grievous
Allys: Durge and Darth Maul
Support:
Supplier: (Trade Federation/Commerce Guild/Techno Union/Banking Clan/Santhe Sienar Tech)
Organization: Inquisitorious (Prakith)
Military:
Ground: Sith Trooper/Great War era
Bx-Series Droid Commandos
Naval:
Light Capital Ship: Terminus class destroyer
Light Capital Ship: Harrower class dreadnought
Heavy Capital Ship: Providence class carrier/destroyer
Fighters:
Fighter Class: Vulture Droids
Bomber Class: Hyena Bombers
Elite Class: Fury Class Imperial interceptors
Territory:
Capital: ??
Stronghold: Malgus’ Space Station
Stronghold: Korriban
Organization World: Prakith
I don't have a capital world, and I am still deciding between the four suppliers up top.
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I think obi-wan could be a good substitute for him.... if no one has taken him, but that's my opinion.
Sorry I should have clarified, there is no substitute that is non force sensitive. Thats what I like best about Grevious, is that he has the capability of a top tier strategist, with the skills to also do battle, while also not taking up a force user slot.
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Meteor is a trained tactical genius and is good enough to take over any situation, Barsen'thor and Hero have both led battles and formed strategies. But this is all something I am already writing up, they are surprisingly good leaders actually.
Its not their ability, but their area of expertise thats the problem. For smaller strike teams, offenses, or single battles, they would do absolutely fantastic. However, in a war, where one half is naval tactics on a large scale, they simply can't compete. They can't do the large scale tactics that would put them on the same stage as Grevious, Revan, Traya, Ackbar, Daala, Antilles, etc. For Battlegrounds mode they would do better, but not for classical mode.
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Needs a bump
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Which is what that leadership is designed for, but I worry it's not enough.
For example, take Lando. He's similar to Rayla's tacticians in a way. He was a General, and he helped organise the assault on the Death Star and Echo Base. He's a brilliant tactician, but slap him on a bridge or in a command bunker and tell him to organise a fleet battle or war, and he'd fall short IMO. It's the same here, all the player characters are smart and can organise infiltration missions, or brilliantly lead a starfighter squadron, they're not the fleet battle or galactic scale conflict types.
And while hit and run is all well and good, you need generals who can actually fight the fleet battles, even if you're the one choosing to engage in them.
Agreed, the best generals for the Classic mode kaggath are the ones who can plan around the big picture. This is why people like Traya, Grevious, and Revan are among the best tacticians for this particular Kaggath mode. It's also why I'm reluctant to drop Grevious for a lightside faction, as there really is no substitute for him.
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Ahh, well you're right on that front.
I'd say it depended on which Generals Rayla goes with, if you're wondering if it would work. That's my only concern at the moment, actually.
Technically, her faction could work very well; if it is utilized correctly. In a straight up war, she would lose versus any competent faction. However, could her faction successfully wage a hit and run/skirmish type war, then she could very well win.
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I didn't mean that she would be worried about her PC ships fitting, I meant her standard fighters would be restricted to the amount of ships the Valor can carry, as she doesn't get fighters for her other two like most other factions would.
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I think it would be fun to do a Consortium/Underworld/pirate type faction. Alas, that was Canino's forte not mine, I would suck at making a faction like that.
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1.Battlemaster is a title of leadership in the Jedi Order, Battlemasters have powers equatable to Council members and are the sole leaders of all lightsaber instruction in the entire Order. More over the Hero is one of the primary leaders of the Republic military. However, if such an arbitrary limitation is placed I can easily swap her place with the Barsen'thor.
2.Said light ships have firepower sufficient to cripple Harrower-class Dreadnoughts with the defensive prowess to tank their return firepower, matched with extreme speed and agility sufficient for dogfighting and defeating squadrons of starfighters.
1. I guess its ok then, I personally don't have a problem with it, just the rules ya know?
2. Two things with this. First, those are game mechanics, and have no reappearances anywhere in the lore. Second, even if you discard the previous statement, you would only get the base model and not the upgraded ones, so it still loses its function. Also, by taking those ships and leaving only Valor class ships (which majorly suck btw), you leave yourself with VERY few fighters, as you get as many as can be fitted into your ships.
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Lol, except for that story cutscenes cost major $$$$$$ to animate, and then pile on the cost of voice actors, writers for the story, and all other expenses, and KotFE is going to cost waaaay more to make than any group content you will ever see.
Please take the tinfoil hate off your head and return to reality please.
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Alright Tune here's my second round of suggestions:
Don't use full links in the middle of the paragraphs. I lose 1 minute of my life every time I see that. You could just say what you want to say, and then after the paragraph list your sources. Like this for example:
Or you could use the actual words to hide the link, a lot more readable. Like this:
Actually, I have a question about that. I'm not exactly sure how to hide a hyperlink in words.
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Given the likelihood of Revan's ban I will likely use the following:
Sentinels of the Broken Republic
Leadership:
Head of State: Hero of Tython, Battlemaster of the Jedi Order
Second-in-Command: Barsen'thor, Warden of the Jedi Order
Ally: Legate, Agent of the Republic
Ally: Meteor, Havoc Squad Commamder
Supplier: Kuat Drive Yards
Organisation: Strategic Information Service
Military:
Army:
Minor Ground Force: Special Forces Division Trooper
Minor Ground Force: SIS Agents
Minor Ground Force: Jedi Shadows
Light Vehicle:
Heavy Vehicle: Isotope-5 Droid
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Navy:
Fighter: FT-8 Star Guard Starfighter
Bomber: Sledgehammer-class Bomber
Elite: SGS-45 Quarrel Gunship
Light Ship: Defender-class light Corvette
Light Ship: BT-7 Thunderclap assault ship
Capital Ship: Valor-class Cruiser
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Planets:
Capital World: Tython
Stronghold: Balmorra
Stronghold: Corellia
Organization World: Coruscant
There are two glaring issues I see with this one.
1. The battlemaster cant be a head of state or second in command. Because he never achieved a place on the council.
2. The second one, is that your light ships are nothing more than corvettes. They won't hold up against even frigates like a Munificent, or Terminus class. I heavily suggest using other light ships.
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That's fine, no worries. I probably won't be able to post anything at all until Tuesday or Monday evening at best. So you're cool. Suppose I could rush it out tomorrow, but it'll be fine.
Looking forward to your post.
Hopefully with our duel ending, Sel can focus on hers. Also, I'm excited to see your rebuttals, will show me what I could have done better.
I had the best idea for a darkside team earlier, probably wishing I was using that right now. lol
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Mudkip, if you don't mind, I'd like to move things along here. So post your final argument and I'll post my own as well as my rebuttals to your previous arguments. Then Sel can move things along and get this debate finished up so she doesn't have so much on her plate right now.
Thats fine, I wanted to post one more minor argument, but I can just include it in the final one. I won't be able to post till tomorrow though.
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Totaled you mean, after drunk driving.
^^^Best post in match.
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Regarding the Talzin ban, I have a proposition tbh. If Talzin is banned, the following should also be:
- Krayt
- Vader
- Revan
- Windu
- Malgus
Why? Talzin's been apparently banned for her power, supposedly because Caedus is around her level and he is banned. However, Caedus wasn't just banned for power, he was banned because he's power with a brilliant tactical mind, both as a galactic entity and in terms of single fleet battles. He also could employ battle meditation.
Talzin is merely power with the ability to manipulate single individuals, she is not useful in fleet engagements or in conquering a planet. If you look at someone supposedly less powerful than her (Revan) who is allowed, Revan's a tactician close to Thrawn if not superior, a Force user close to Talzin if not superior, a manipulator close to her level if not superior, with strong ties to the underworld and huge charisma. He is feasibly a much stronger Kaggath choice, Talzin only works if you build a faction around her.
She's not OP, and should not be banned.
PS: Malgus should be banned by virtue of being **** in general, not for being OP. Sorry Aurbere
Can we ban Bastila for her roflstomp meditation as well? It is simply too good on a large scale fight like the classic mode.
EDIT: did you really Revan>Thrawn?.........lel
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Please do. (glanzes over at Grievous)
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Maybe I should make a LS faction instead.
Also, bastila should be banned because of battle meditation.
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