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There isnt a sorcerer alive that will out heal my operative when we are both under fire. I love all the speculation from people with experience with one or none of the classes, but I play and have played all three extensively. I can tell you hands down that an operative is superior across the board to a sorcerer, unless that sorcerer quite literally gets left alone for an entire warzone because they do have higher bandwidth. The problem is they have vastly inferior throughput under fire... and that is the majority of the situations against half way decent opponents.
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It saddens me that people use WoW arenas as a basis for competitive PvP. It was grossly dumbed down PvP to cater to the masses.
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And we were discussing exactly that. Though people get exalted when arguing I don't feel we were getting out of topic or insulting each other to a level that required moderator censure.
They deleted every single one of my posts in the general PvP thread about Ohlen's remarks, despite not violating TOS a single time. They didnt even bother warning me for a TOS violation, they just removed my comments and the comments of everyone that quoted me. Unprofessional and plain silly, and part of the reason they continue to bleed subs faster than an emo with a razor blade.
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Sorry T, Dissb isn't around to make me be nice any more.
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Sage healers are fine. They're not OP or UP.
Scoundrel healers need to be toned down for sure, while commando healers need to be buffed.
No, scoundrel / op healers are where the other two healers should be given the rest of the 1.2 changes staying in place.
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Truth .... my guild of a dozen of half PvPers that have been playing together for a few years has dwindled down to three active (but part time) subs due to the absolute craptastic excuse for PvP in this game. Even though I am not a fan of diablo gameplay, I am probably going to play it ...just to play with my friends again.
The sad sad truth is that this is the second IP with a huge following that the EA umbrella of games has managed to completely screw up. Seriously screwing up the fanbase of warhammer was bad enough, but freaking Star Wars too? wow ....just freaking wow.
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I kind of agree that defined settings is more competitive, but a game like WAR had both, and still failed. PvP centric games needs more resources and bring less incomes than casual games.
Really, PvP games are a niche and pretty much any Devs wanting to start a project with that in mind will have to deal with that audience. They could have made SWTOR more PvP oriented but the same 'rage' would have been exponentially raised on the forums by casuals not having a chance to fight and class imbalances.
But SWTOR also missed the mark PvE-wise. This is really a badly designed MMO, there's no challenge in PvE and PvP is botched.
The thing is, for a modern game to be successful, it has to have the content to appeal to a wide variety of players. It has to have viable pve content AND viable pvp content. There has to be competitive play in addition to dynamic play. An ideal world for me as a PvPer would by dynamic open world combat with a real reason to be there -AND- ranked/competitive warzone style matches. Not either or ...but both.
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If the losing team in your example was skilled at all, they would beat the other team easily. We arent talking about pros vs scrubs here. 8v8 pro vs pro is the real pvp.
You didnt read what I wrote. The winning team was obviously the pros. Respond again when you read.
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I doubt you ever killed anyone 10 vs 1, but OK. If they had been ANY good at all, you would have been wiped out. Why? not because they were better than you, but because they had more people. This can be fun, but it is no way competitive.
You are absolutely clueless and typical of the WOW crowd that thinks they know what real PvP is. I hate to break it to you kid, but the PvP in WOW was dumbed down to appeal to the masses that couldnt excel in a true competitive environment.
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And you never thought to yourself why are we fighting these noobs? Real pvp isn't pros beating up scrubs...
Real pros get into an 8v8 fight with anothr competitive group, get jammed by 2 other groups from a third realm... extend sideways out from the sandwich to confuse the situation... and end up killing them all.
Real pros handle the randomness as well as the static.
Real pros handle an 8v8 fight that gets jammed by another 8 man from the same realm and kills all of them. The same real pros can handle it when they run into a zerg open field and destroy them.
You are absolutely clueless about what real PvP is. Real PvP is excelling in both competitive matches against skilled opponents -AND- being flexible, inventive, and skilled anough to manage fighting superior numbers when you need to.... in all circumstance.
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DAOC never got more than 250k subscribers, and warhammer was an epic fail.
Warhammer was an epic fail for the same reason SWTOR is going to be an epic fail and is already headed that direction.
You can't throw DAOC into the comparison because the game way predated WOW, and WOW was responsible for making MMOs ubiquitous. Not to mention DAOC had more than 250k subscribers at peak ....the amount they had relevant to that particular time frame was a huge amount of the market. Given that the market today is easily 10 times larger .....
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I never saw any game that was 20 vs 10 that people actually thought was competitive.
I EXPERIENCED plenty of 8 v 16 ...8 v 24 ...8 v zerg fights that were competitive though in a game structured for open world RvR/PvP. Hell, some of the best fights I had were extending a zerg half way across a zone and killing them all despite being out numbered 10 to 1.
Of course a game has to have both meaningful CC and hard counters to that CC for that to be possible ...outside of a game engine that can handle it. This particular game has none of that.
Of course the 8v8 fights were great too......
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As much as I can't respect Taugrim as much of anything above an average player at best, from three games playing both with and against him, and as much as he is wrong about various things regarding game play across multiple games ....he is dead on accurate in saying that they made some of the same mistakes RIFT did. Not only that, they had the knowledge of the failures of WAR, the things both right and wrong from DAOC, etc. underneath the EA umbrella to use to make this game better ......and the absolutely dropped the ball.
Only EA can take the two potentially largest IPs out there outside of warcraft and completely screw up their opportunity. WAR was an epic failure, and even the pvp in that game was vastly better than it is in this one. heh ...sad but true.
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL uhhhh you took 115k dmg in a full 15 min Voidstar xD you lost all your reason here.
I take near 300K when I spec healer. Wanna know why ? My server has decent players and not clueless PVErs. I can cast 3/4 heals before some Melee locks his focus on me and starts to interrupt everything I try to cast. Also, you play with a good tank backing you up. It's not about the numbers, it's about gameplay. Some healers in my server take 450k+ dmg. Because my premades hunt them down. of course they're Operatives, because Sorcs go down before they can take that much dmg. I love this guys
115k damage in a voidstar is a very low amount of damage to take in a void star even against pugs for a healer. He wasnt being focused at all.
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http://imgur.com/a/hSlRm#3
Game one- I soloed healed and still got 0 death
Game 2- Game ended with 1:45 min left
Game 3- just another 800k I poop out
Game 4- Look at the damage taken...0 deaths
All you sorcs crying about needing a buff
I pity da fool
All you are doing is showing you complete and total lack of understanding of the issue. Nobody is saying that sorcs 'cant' put out numbers. What anyone knowledgeable is say is that the numbers are misleading.
And you really weren't being focused at all. When I get focused by a competent team, I will take several hundred thousand damage and they will be using interrupts on the right spells, not spamming them anytime they see a cast bar.
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When there was a reason to go to illum, it was still dead 90% of the time. People like warzones because it is organized, balanced, and fair. World pvp is fun, yes, but in no way competitive.
Dead? It was hardly dead, it was so crowded that the poor coding done by BW began to shine and people started to realize that the game engine couldnt handle any meaningful open world PvP.
And open world PvP is extremely competitive when properly frameworked.
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IF you implement goals to open world pvp it helps. But you also have to control how many people are on each side or it isnt fair. You also have to control when the battle starts or it isn't fair. So in the end, it would just be another warzone but instead of Q'ing, you have to actually walk there.
No, you control it by having meaningful CC with hard counters. There was nothing better than stringing out and beating zergs with an 8 man in DAOC, well outside of beating other roaming 8 mans.
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The sage/healer is not weaker these days simply because of 1.2
You are right, they were already crazy easy to shut down before 1.2 by competent players. What 1.2 DID do is make it easier for less competent players to do the same thing because they have a full extra second to stop infusion.
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Just my 2 cents. Yeah Sage lacks some of the things that other healers do, and it does take a bit more skill to stay in the fray. However any sage complaining that it's unplayable, or to weak needs to re-learn the class. In PvP specifically. I have never had a problem with being squishy, or not being able to heal myself AND heal another. unless theres 2-3 dps on me all decently geared and interupting.
2-3 dps on you and you are going to die easily without crossheals -and- guard, unless those 3 dps are the most horrid players to ever play the game, and under geared. A little exaggeration there for effect, but not much.
I can take any player in my guild and completely shut your sorc/sage down. Any competent player can shut your sorc/sage down because the only heal they are going to let you get off is your baby heal and hot, and that thing isn't healing through anything. Infusion is going to stay on lock down, your channel is going to broken, and your puddle (if full heal spec) isnt going to output enough healing to make a dent in the beating you are taking or heal through damage on friendlies anywhere else in the fight effectively.
Meanwhile, I am going to be keeping my team alive because I can kite AND heal at the same time, and will laugh off your interrupt attempts. Hell, I will still have a fair amount of healing going on even while CC'd. Oh, and heaven help you if I have guard.
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I dont think any pvper really cares about open world. That is mostly for casual fun when your bored of warzones.
You are 100% wrong.
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The problem is that the sorc is a kiter but we dont have the tools to kite while healing. We CAN kite effectively but even when were kiting people can still keep killing us slowly and we cant help our team when we are doing that.
This is spot on.
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I'd say ops/scounds are most vulnerable to focus-fire (then again, who isn't).
Umm why? My experience is completely the opposite. Of course, this could be due to the fact that I get in far less situations where I am easily focused on my op. However, people grossly underestimate the ability of an operative to escape from FF as well.
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I meant to say mobility there not survivability.
The lack of survivability is due to interrupt susceptibility and lack of mobility.
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ROLF BUY SOME PVP GEAR NUB ABOSORB HIT ABSORB HIT ABSORB Sorcs sages healing is already op enuff with that mechanic k thanks
Huh? Are you like a level 40 trying to hit a level 50 sorc or something? Any semi geared DPS is going to pop that bubble in a single GCD.
Ohlen admits sage/sorc healing broken
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No offense, since you are incapable of reading. I play all three healers extensively. I know damn well the benefits and weakness of them, and exactly why an operative is superior to a sorcerer now ESPECIALLY under fire, as I sai. My server isn't dead either ....yet. My sub is running out though