Its been said that MMO players are the most evil gamers out of all other genre's In wow they did bio-warfare terrorist attacks keeping a dot alive witch infected npc's player's and even non combat pets and could not be cleansed (the corrupted blood plague). A horde guild in wow at one point held a funeral ingame for a guildie who actualy deid irl, a rival ally guild crashed the funaral and killed everyone. Maybe some ppl have heard of Angwe its a term on its own for those unfortunate enough to have played ally on his server. In EVE some guy totally colapsed the the ingame market by liquidating the largest bank of witch he was the sole stockholder, stealing 170.000$ worth of ingame money, ruining the game for thousands. Lets face it we all are a little evil somewhere and mmo's bring it out So to satisfy that small part of me i play Sith and so does the majority i guess. for ref: http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-most-elaborate-dick-moves-in-online-gaming-history_p2/

Great post glad not every corner is filled with QQ and trolls finally some constructive feedback with awsome idea's Kudos, Upvotes and internets to spacebum for starting this !

hmm i dont now where the 300-400 hours for valor 60 comes from. i hit valor 50 last sunday iam 55 now yes the valor needed increases by an insane amout still by this time next week i'll be 60 easy. so in less than 4 weeks ill be 60, i work a full time job so only play in the evenings and weekends... thats not nearly 300-400 hours. And at this point the gear gap between me and BM is not so impressive anymore. I have a friend that played a sith sorc got it till 50 got bored and now plays assassin tank. he plays pvp almost exclusively and he only does the story Q's. Now he's 46 with 45 valor if he plays his cards right he can be valor 60 just 10-14 days after he turns 50. thats true now as it's been true since the game came out no cheating neccessary. besides ppl who did use exploits in 1.1 got valor taken. okey i do have to admit the 60% glitch sux. on the other hand their is still a decent chance you'll get a free champ gear token and if you get it you still get all the champ and cent comms. All in all we've got it pretty good with the new bag system and if you are rly in to this game for the pvp valor 60 wont take long. if you pve alot you should not complain since you dont play pvp enough to get to 60 fast.

HEAR HEAR upvotes for NevesNET

Iam stunned really if you just turned 50 what are you basing this on ??? Let me tell you what happend to me when i first turned 50. I opened my first bag and HELL YEAH got my main hand awesome . Then two week's 4 weekly's and 28 daily's so 34 bags later got champ pants 3 times gloves 4 times got 4 relics (and because it was b4 update 2 without expertise) and only 3 cent comms for the gearless bags and just the 1 from geared bags. Yeah man that really went fast.... i alrdy have my off hand from the new bag system, bracers and got lucky with a chest drop and a belt, bought my boots, and earpiece all in a few days. So dont go cry on the forums about stuff you know nothing about. you will most centrainly gear up faster with this system. And at least you stand a chance in your cent gear. i did not have that luxury !!!!

ow ow another QQ thread c(_) <-> here's a carecup for your tears hope it helps.

oww no ppl are leaving plz call the care police !

hear hear, i totally agree stop moaning people. Kudos to you KillswitchUK

lol you think i have bm ? i never said that. I work a 40 hour job, i only play in the evenings and a bit over the weekend's... i get outgeared all the time. I just dont get it people that play more get better stuff... its aways been like that, look at other mmo's war/wow/eq/eqII/rift. maybe the only exception is arena's in wow. anyways if i put in enough time i dont want to be rewarded with some vanity crap or credits. Give me gear, and if you nerf pvp gear ppl will just come in their pve uber hc raid gear. And if you think BM's out of reach try getting in a guild that farms end game ops. I'am well aware that by the time i have full bm their's gonna be a new set for warhero's and such you wont hear me cry then as you wont hear me now. gear has aways been the braggin right's everybody can cee and feel. i do have to admit the 1.1 fail was massive still BW has been on the case and individual ppl who did the exploit got valor removed so dont keep the QQ on that going plz.

i hear a lot off Q_Q ing over here. we've all been their Just keep playing you'll get more skill from fighting better geared poeple. You need to get really creative and learn you class. by the time you get valor 60 and get your gear, after hours and hours and yet more hours of play time you will have earned your right to wear battlemaster and own pvp. The harder the fight the greater the reward, and because off all the experience of fighting beter geared people once your on the same lvl it will be easy. and how would you justify all those hours someone esle has already put in the game to go to waist just because your so lazy you want to have the same stats as they do the moment you hit 50 !?

well i love open world pvp and i love warzones as well. illum needs a few fixes, for sure. I play emp myself and hate just zerging the spawns. i used to play WAR as well and it was great pvp wise. If you where outnumberd you got an AAO (against all odd's) buff with gave you increased bonusses from kill's to such an extend that i went looking for outnumbered zones for the increased reward. right now in illum its exactly the other way around if you have more players you control more BO's hence more valor bonus. that combined with the fact that there are nearly no roaming party's and its mostly one big zerg at central assault (because of those useless armament's for the illum daily), its nearly impossible to get even one kill before being overrun. I say implement a zone lock for controlling all BO's that reset like every 30 min's or so and give you a one time valor bump (say 1600 valor thats increased by AAO and removing the valor from controlling more bo's ofc). This will also spread the larger faction over the multiple bo's to keep owning them for the lock bonus, thus making it easier for the outnumberd faction to get kill's against small parties rather than being zerged all the time. keep player kill valor bonusses at controlled bo's, only at a greatly reduced amout (lets say max 40 bonus valor per kill) and give the outnumbered faction an incentive (AAO like in war). And put up armament's at all the BO's to add to the smaller parties and give the outnumberd faction a chance to finish their daily's faster.