Normalized is not the same as BOLSTERED, if i mod my lower lvl with purps of the highest rating his weapon dmg goes up WAY UP!!! you realize that cunning is the stat on armor for slingers and by throwing it up your dmg stats go up??? have you ever pvp'd sir? But i realize the game your playing your gonna try to rip me up incite me and when I fire back you'll report me lol

lol LIES thats all i can say to that because at lvl 30 in full purple geared by purple barrels and cybertechs purple mods I never hit 300k with dirty fighting and there's no way you had the armor pen to hit that with sharpshooter and stay alive without two healers on your back constantly. You either fought the worst groups ALIVE and in which case you only got one or two BG's with half that dps and stopped because if you kept running EVERYONE WOULD BULLSYEYE YOU AFTER HITTING 300K and you'd be focus'd fired every BG after till you quit or did 50-100k in the top ten till you left.

You are not immune to CC in cover AT ALL, you are only immune to a powertech's grapple or assassin/shadows death grip ability. They have a long cooldown ability that makes them immune to Cc for 20's but it's hard to time the right moment to use that as it's reactive and not passive so yea they can be stunned lept at etc when in cover when that ability is down. And thats all i think They need to be brought in line, one movement speed haste ability to displace to a new position when things get too hot(or to regain some energy as they are energy hogs) and they would be fine lol i'm not asking for the world here just some common sense

LOL I hit quote on the wrong post chill I totally agree with you as I've seen it

yep this^ I never said you can't do WELL but gear vs gear a high skilled GS can only do as well as a crappy sage/BH/scoundrel of the same gear can do. The skill margin for the class is just totally off kilter

lol on paper they have the highest burst but if you count kinetic/weapon burst in pvp with NO ARMOR PENTRATION then you are wrong sir. You play a sorc and that's the only class you play hence why you think they have insane burst, but a slinger of any spec besides dirty fighter vs a heavy armor class is like throwing water pellets at dragonhide. And a slinger with dirty fighter does not have insane burst dmg they are mowers with steady dps. And sadly I have yet to see a slinger/sniper come in top dps of any BG I run, WHY because you don't deal alot of dmg WHEN YOUR DEAD! Maybe this guy in this premade who ran next to healers did it this few times lol but pls show me where your saying Snipers/slingers #1 in DPS in tons of BG's and I'll show you a liar(and that icon you thought was a slinger was a scoundrel)

Hey you all think their fine great I find that often bad players can't tell where the balance lies in PVP. My Sent/Scoundrel blows any sniper/slinger apart in under 8 seconds and I've never seen one defeat me in 1v1 ever. But hey your happy hitting the respawn point anytime a descent player singles you out, relying on high perchs with no mobility or escapes to save you roll with it! I'd rather play a class with the same dps and more survivability that doesnt require support or zero margin for error to end up in the top 2 dps slots with zero or 1 death. But hey if your happy hitting that same dps with 10-12 deaths and requiring a smart group of players to do it, when i can do it with other classes even when were steamrolled in a losing BG more power to ya! P.S. I don't even play a Slinger anymore I just know they don't stack up to most other classes I've pvp'd with at 50

I love the class myself I don;t think they need a dmg buff although a way to armor pen without relying on dots would be nice. But they do need some form of escape, a short duration run speed or leap backwards ability something to get them out of danger. Op has heals and vanish BH has heals and a ton of defensive abilities Sorc got stun and heals and run speed lol this class got zip and so I've run BG's on my server to valor rank 60 on two toons and I honestly see 1 or 2 slinger/snipers per 10 Bg's and the number of sorc/BH's grows everyday. We can all pretend the other classes are fine like the wow kids did and watch as 2-3 classes have 75% arena team win ratio's or tell the truth

You do realize this is a pvp forum and dps in pvp is a totally different beast then pve, if you don't understand that I cant really help you P.S. there is no greater deterent to dps in pvp then waiting to respawn if you check the charts its often the guy with the least deaths that also has the highest dps unless there banking dps off aoe dmg

Anyone can be amazing with support but i know their underbalanced because the one thing I've never seen on this forum is NERF SNIPERS/GUNSLINGERS and I've seen a whine for every other class BUT THEM!

Then why are they the least represented class in PVP???? In my exp the most amazing classes in pvp were never the least played ones.

The arguement that a guy does well if you ignore or cant get to him is kind of a logic fail because I can do better with tracer missile spam and take more dmg and single heal for 5k crits with heavy armor. If i ignore any class thats on me they will kill me so I fail to see how that makes them balanced. LMFAO I ignored this sorc on me and he killed me, anyone you ignore who's gunning for you will kill you. Only the gunslinger has no way to escape ANYTHING when your gunning for him.

There burst seems awesome if your a low armor class but not agianst any class with descent armor since they have zero to no armor pen skills. Unless they use hunker down they can easily be knocked out of cover and hunker down has a long repop. Honestly it's like playing a wow hunter with no pet, traps, armor pen, or run speed. while the scoundrel/ operative is like playing a wow rogue with heals lol it's not even close by comparsion. One run speed ability on a long repop would make a huge difference for this class, but I play a Sent/scoundrel and gunslinger and I will say I can only win with my gunslinger when I play flawlessly and make zero mistakes. And compaired to every other class i played this class is pretty weak.

I'm not saying that the class is seriously underpowered by any means but they pale in comparsion to most other classes. They were intended to be a high dmg range dps class, but they got none of the tools any other class dedicated to dps has. Unlike the scoundrel/operative they have no heals, vanish or run speed escape basically no way to escape multiple targets focus fire and with weak armor and almost NO defensive skills one stun is the end of them. I'm not saying that they can't be a deadly or viable BG force but only when everyone pretty much ignores them. All of their dmg rolls off weapon and kinetic which means it's absorbed by armor, they have only 1 armor debuff at 20% and there dirty fighting talent rely's on low dmg dots to bypass armor and requires setup time they don't have. The margin for error and reaction time needed is higher then any other class and giving a range class one stun that requires 4 meter range is a joke. Otherwise their forced to rely on flash grenade to save their lives and when there highest dps build is dirty fighting and dot aoe's the targets, this is just silly. It just seems like this class was not given very much attention in consideration to pvp and lacks the synergy most other classes have.

Ha Ha HA Ha Ha I like your style Sir. PvP comes down to a few things the modern MMO gamer does not understand but something the OG EQ1/DAOC player get's very well. And just to state the perfect PVP system prolly is somewhere between these 2 games but most designers seem to ignorant to understand. PVP is not defined by class mechanics or game mechanics, it is something defined solely by skill, practice, and reaction time. It is the ability to overcome insurmountable odds by keeping a level and cool head in the face of great adversity. Like that time two guys jumped you at 65% percent life with two mobs on you and you wiped the floor with them, that's pvp skill! When a game introduces a TON of instant cast abilities, it has already defeated skill in pvp. And worse yet when it adds INSTA CAST STUNS, pvp skill is pretty much negated as anyone becomes meat for focus fire by small inexperianced groups. Skill timers and countering are the corner stone of pvp and any game that is loaded with a ton of instant CC effects IS LIEING TO YOU WHEN THEY SAY THEY CARE ABOUT PVP! ANY GAME THAT ALLOWS FOR PVP WITH ZERO PENALTY AND ALL REWARD IS LIEING TO YOU WHEN THEY SAY THEY CARE ABOUT PVP! This allows PVE players to join any PVP event with no risk scenario's and botch up the percise dance that is PVP, just so they can have fun. That's like me joining an endgame raid and forcing everyone to wipe over and over agian and the raid leader not being able to kick me lMFAO!