More security is a good thing. But when the more security has a failing system and it's preventing people to log in then it isn't worth it. Besides who was the clever one to even make login dependent of 3rd party service? If my email provider is slow I have to go over all the fuss to set up a new email and get it Bioware approved. If my email provider is slow today, or at this hour, I can't log in before they sort things out. It's not that these things happen too much, but imo it's pretty stupid to make login dependent on someone else's service. Not to mention that SWTOR servers clearly can't handle all the one-time password requests and people are getting expired codes thus they can't even log in. Whole protection should just be run down until it is fixed. Players aren't some people you use for "testing stuff". Do your testing in labs and leave us out from it.

Great, coders have hard time to even make options work. Dark times are ahead, because we CAN'T TURN THEM ON!

Generally I've found most of /spit /lol spamming players in PVP immature persons overall. Not everyone of course of them are and regardless the side. I personally love good PVP and if someone gives me a good challenge, loses or wins, I salute or bow to them, trying to express that I honor the fight we had. I also have some really boring attitudes about open world PVP, I attack only same lvl or above if not attacked first, I don't start gankfest and I usually initiate fight with same player only once. If I lose I might try again, if it was a close call. I despite the most the ones who wait you to pull some mobs before they attack. I don't really care the sides, sith or republic, same stuff under a different banner, this is probably why I'm actually able to see the real person there and not just "omg enemy".

But when there's already an options with more endgame and less issues than this, why play SWTOR? You can use the trump card of " X years ago when game Y was released" how much you ever want, but casual players and normal people live in present. They really won't care how some other game was years ago. And before you say "they can go play other games" it means you're left with only a handful of elitist players willing to pay for waiting for more content and fixes. I dare to doubt that group would be very large and it's definitely super-unfriendly to new players even if the game was getting better. I personally see no point for waiting for things to get better, I can happily try again after 2-6 months, if the forums suggest at the time that game is now worth playing and there are some other players too. Well, assuming that I haven't found something funnier to do or play meanwhile, which isn't very likely since there's quite many MMMO's coming out soon(ish).

I actually enjoyed quite ok before I got Doc. With Doc I rolled in enjoyment for 4 levels or so and everytime I got closer to 40 I started to spam spacebar more and more just not to hear NPC talking the same stuff about parts and droids anymore. After 40 I started to have this feeling that I'm not sure if I want to quest anymore, I usually love questing since level ups mean more skills and variety for gameplay. Except that every levels started to seem a bit copy. At level 45 It took me 2 days off the game because I didn't want to hear about any NPC's destroyed droids which parts I was suppose to collect, again. 45-49 I was pretty much forcing myself through, I got Overhead slash in my defense spec and was thinking that it will be so cool from now on, it wasn't. 10% away from lvl 50 I was doing the last class quest stage (pre-nerf), had one try, read stuff about forums, logged out and haven't logged in for 5 days now. I'm not going to until they do some serious fixes for my precious little guardian. Like parry/deflect animation disabling attacking and all the rest discussed over and over again in forums. Quests starts to repeat themselves very heavily and voiceovering begins to annoy more than anything, at least this happened for me. Especially the cutscenes where your character only *presses the button* are super annoying and I got the feeling that I just want to get the quests done with, never caring what the so called story behind it was. I'm all in the lore and some people hype the SWTOR to heavens because of it. But the lore gets really thin at the end IMO, itäs all about those f-ing droids and the parts some slacker mechanic wants back. /rant Edit: typos.

What people are really asking is colors! Not some freaking holy grail of graphical design. It seems that in this thread suddenly simple request of having something else than brown and gray colors has become a might journey for eternal life. Edit: Oh, and that suckermouth-helmet. Well, I can imagine at least 3 bearable choices for that. But as my drawing skills are about 20 years behind of my age and my only design related skills are fly tying I better not to stuck my spoon on that soup. I'm relatively good at fly tying though, I've even won some contests (without beating up anyone)!

I suppose the game isn't going to die in the very meaning of the word. Maybe some 1/5 or 1/10 of players keep playing, who knows. At least on European servers trend seems to be that after getting lvl 50 they give it a week or so and then just wander off to play some other game. I still keep reading forums, because I find it amusing that patch notes haven't yet told any of my concerns being handled and people seem to come up with more issues faster than I can even read. Maybe the game gets better if enough of people keep complaining and still paying for sub. But seriously, can anyone expect for someone to pay for WAITING to things get better? I don't think so, this is not some phone service where you pay for queuing. We wait, we don't pay. When we want service, we pay. If that's going to crash the game then maybe it just wasn't ready for launch after all.

Oh god how I hate the voice-overing. First hour was ok, rest of the game broke my space bar. There are games where voice acting was actually enjoyable. Batman games for one and in Fable 3 it was awesome, well it was only awesome thing in that game. SWTOR made the job nicely if you assume that every NPC is a normal person who you forget in a second after the conversation. Well, if I manage to listen them for a second anyway, because they're so boring that mostly I found myself wandering off to catch butterflies or grabbing a beer.

Lore, sure, why not. But watching a character that looks the same from lvl 15 to all the way to lvl 50 and will be looking the same after that to the end of the world(?). Oh well... Even if the game is based on book and movie series world it doesn't mean you can't take a single stray from there. Star Wars universe art design wasn't originally made for MMO game, so why should it be adapted without anything interesting additions to game if its clearly plain boring? Successful movie art isn't same as successful game art. When you watch movie for a 2-3 hours (x6 =12-18) you're supposed to play the game for hundreds of hours.

I'm not going to pay for waiting a game to become fun to play, that would be just stupid. I will be constantly checking if some of my major concerns are handled, but I won't pay for that. If in 2-3 months I'm able to attack without delay and actually do something else than move while parrying I'm ready to re-sub for a try. As I generally enjoy tanking more than anything. In SWTOR I rather read about tanking than actually do it and reading forums is free, so no point of paying at the moment. I can understand very well why people are going nuts about stuff in the game, but some of them do understand that the game is still in developing phase. They will be back if the issues are worked out, but I can't blame them not paying subscription if they don't want to play the game in it's current state.

I assume both of these attacks were made just to kill weaker enemies when leveling up.

I quit WoW couple of months ago, wasn't doing anything but PvP and some occasional raid healing and I got really really bored to the game, played for years. After a month with SWTOR and leveling one character to 50 I'm kind of thinking about getting back to WoW. PvP in SWTOR is, uh, well, it's been discussed enough already. What comes to quests I get so repulsive feeling when I'm killing 30 extra enemies as peaceful jedi knight for bonus exp after I've just told some guy "we won't bomb the ship" to get some light side points. What a hypocrisy. Besides whole questing is basically "go to planet, 2 forces fighting against each other, side tother one, pick up droid parts, destroy turrets, kill people", which is same that it is in WoW. Voiceovering was pretty fun at first ~15 levels, after that I just spammed spacebar to death and hardly never even read what I was told. Always choose option 1 in conversation and you get light side points, enough for me when the quest descriptions and "lore" is mega-repetative anyway. I don't think I could level up another character to lvl 50, for some reason it feels awkward, and this comes from person who enjoys leveling more than anything in most games. I can't say anything about end-game, there is no end-game in our server. I could see myself back in the game after couple of months when some issues about playability and everything else has been fixed. I happened to level jedi guardian, which suffers probably the most of playability. (Not able to attack because I just parried something, yay)

Well, this actually has something good on it. I think it's because of this parry/deflect fuss, but I've been able to do 3 master strikes in a row before it going on CD at best. It bugs out every 1min or so and makes me able to do 2 master strikes in a row. I'd rather be able to use my abilities though. This issue has been actually discussed in ability delay thread somewhat, but I don't think guardian specific point of view has been pointed out.

Hey! Welcome to our club of players of horrible end of quest line, enjoy your stay! I got past the mobs same way as you did. While having a 20min ress I came to read some forums, decided that it's not worth the time and just left the whole place. I could get a guildie to help as well, but that would be kind of lame. I'm something like 10% of exp away from level 50 and was going to ding 50 with the last quest, because it would be so cool. Now I'm pretty unsure if I should start a new character or just close my account and try again after 2-3 months, when the loads of issues are (maybe) fixed. Could also finish my hardly soloable questline then! (Well, I maybe could. There's always a possibility that bioware gives a **it about Jedi knights ^^)

Jedi knights get their healing companion at lvl 30+, so good luck with that.

I have yet to even see the emperor, because I can barely even play through the trash really and some other quest popped up. Stupid Kira getting in trouble. Cba at saving her but can't continue because of my stupid light side choice -_- Oh damn, I can't even bother at logging in the game anymore. PVP feels like running in the swamp, I'm so fed up with questing after 49,7 levels that I don't want to do that ever again. My peaceful jedi has slaughtered 25 multiplied by xx mobs in bonus missions (I feel more of a murderer than jedi) and tanking feels plain wrong if theres more than one enemy. Er, hmm. I even rather read forums about the game than actually play the game. I think I'll go buy ome beer and pizza, at least that activity has never disappointed me thus far.

49, Defense/vigilance pretty evenly distributed. Doc, no point in using anyone else. Well for last fight I'm having a T7 which feels like somebody's sticking a thumb in my eye, but I'm not going to do the quest anyway.

As defense and T7 in starting gear I got past pretty easily. I ran through all I could popping my cds, after I dies mover forward, died, moved forward, died and eventually skipped all the trash until the shield door. Then comes some other Kira quest and I accidentally pulled some crap. Now that I'm waiting for 20min ress I decided to take a look at the forums meanwhile about this stuff. After reading the thread my feeling of "Bioware hates jedi knights" grew so strong that I'm just going to skip this ****. Apparently it's so not worth the time and frustration. And who was the clever guy to make us go through this thing with the worst companion which hardly anyone uses after there is any other option available. For me T7 with it's crappy gear would be useful only if I could sell it to jawas. Or reverse engineer it.

I did level as full defensive until mid 30 with Kira as companion, for a while I played full vigilance when I got my hands on overhead slash trusting that we can outdamage every pack with Kira before dying ourselves. As defensive it was rather slow and steady and I still had to let Kira pick up one mob in some packs, otherwise we'd been wiped out. Especially in boss fights and other elites I had some really close calls. Damage output just wasn't enough. Leveling with full defense brings up a question of how wise decision it is in the end. The mentioned "moderate" damage absorb of blade barrier absorbs around 500 damage (at least according the most recent information I got), which in my opinion is pretty worthless against some other talents which you can spend your points on. And pretty much everything after mid defense tree is quite, well, not worth it. I have now taken points in defense up to 2 points in shield specialization (Tier 5, 2 points) and one point in Command (T5, because I occasionally tank and taunt is good, also I love force push for positioning ranged enemies in same place for AoE and interrupts). As lvl 47 I have rest of my points in vigilance tree and and it helps a lot while leveling, it boosts damage in many ways as well it has some defensive talents. There's a sticky pointing out how it shines, so no point for me to go over them. I'm one level away from overhead slash, which I have talented for lower cooldown and that lowers cd of Blade storm as well, basically the two strongest attacks I will be having (not including Master strike, but lower cd's make them better dps than master strike anyway). If you are going for full defense tree I'd suggest that you won't hoard too much of +defense gear, I doubt dying will be problem anyway, so I'd rather take just strenght/power/crit/surge over endurance/defense. I haven't had too much problems with dying and my damage is decent (as decent pseudotank can have) in dps gear and Doc is keeping me alive just fine while he's in damage stance instead of healing stance. In some fight I have been forced to change his stance to healing, usually when I don't pay attention and pull 1-2 packs more than my current one. With 3-4 defensive cooldowns and lots of stuns there isn't too much of an issue. Current spec http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500sMG0uzMZhGRzrhz.1

My guardian is level 46, before healer companion i played as tank, while as vigi and now half both as i am 2 points away from overhead slash and rest in defens. I have had some serious problems with class quest bosses even when i was higher level than should , sometimes progression has been easy. Around 30 or so it took 5 tries to kill class q boss. After i got healer and took points in vigilance its been mainly boring, even if we have lot of moves (too many to bind all) its pretty much just never dying if you care to use cd every now and then. What our guildies have been telling its pretty much same for all classes, there are good levels and some seriously bad levels and guardian can be painful from time to time until you get healer companion.

I wish the taunt would actually build up your threat to the par with player having highest threat at the moment. Having 6 secs the mob attacking you doesn't mean you're making any more threat to it. DPS could stop pressing buttons, but will they? No they won't. As tanks we can yell to the dps as much as we want and in some raid situations and so on it might actually have some effect, but while leveling they couldn't care less. This is what makes tanking flashpoints with random people so awkward that I'd rather wouldn't, even if I generally enjoy tank role the most in MMO games.

I did fairly well in Mandalorian Raids with full Defence spec. Next time I tanked was lvl 35 Talar V, I had enough points to get shield specialization from defence and 6% strenght from Vigilance as well some more accuracy for a threat boost. That's when I hit the wall. Single bosses weren't that much of a sweat, I didn't take that much damage overall and kept threat nicely, but tanking multiple mobs is something horrible. We were missing one dps so I just went out with Kira since I got her decently geared up. First boss has two elite adds and 80% of the fight I didn't have a single add or neither the boss on me. Adds kept switching between my companion and healer, who occasionally shot a bullet to some of them and boss was trying to kill our scoundrel all the time except when I could taunt. I had both taunts and pretty much every damage ability on cd all the time. This is probably the worst part when leveling as tank especially if you make the mistake of wearing tank gear. Defense rating and endurance aren't that useful if none of the mobs even hit you. The difference between damage of DPS and Tank seem to be really, really big. 50% threat generation in Soresu form doesn't seem to be enough to cover it if theres more than one mob to kill. "This perk makes Challenging call a 30 second cool down. Meaning you only really have to worry about threat for 24 seconds." I'm so not used to use taunts as threat abilities, I thought they were for an emergency, like in all the other games. Oh well, SWOTR is different, no wonder there is only one guardian tank beside me in the whole server =P

many has problem and rest deny it. I can play the game better with my lesser computer and disabling 2/4 cores makes wonders... Keep denying, it will not repair the problem and less players means less developement, less content and no one wins. "it works fine for me , nothing can be wrong with the game", how narrow.

I agree. Apparently they were a bit too creative with combat system and it is backfiring now as semi-bad design. But what they could do would be matching the game requirements to the real level of the game. Some highend pc cant run game and some can. I can play skyrim with nice graphics ez, but i cant go in warzone with my better computer. If the issues are just really awful code in the core then the game is done. People dont want to spend 50e for game that should work, but it might not as well. If this gets better it would be cool. If not then I just fool around with it until diablo 3. WoW was indeed nice for years, but since everyone is either idiot or best player ever the fun factor is zero. Not to mention that i find every class similar to each other these days.

I actually was going to include to ny post that they are new to this business, but seemed to forget. Its not very clever of them, but considering its been holidays, game has barely published they probably hardly have operational resources ready for everything it should be expected as it is. People apparently have played mostly mmo which have been out for some time already, so the lack the experience to understand what it is to play early stages of mmo. And swtor isnt even bad compared to pioneer games of genre.