kinda, when a guardian "dances" he gives up all the focus he has built. its worth it sometimes but most of the time its a horrible strat

by good tank do you mean any vanguard... tanking is broken in this game, if you dont believe me roll up a guardian/juggernaut and try tanking yourself. you have no idea how ****** it is, and no right to rain on anyones parade smashing your 2 buttons for max deeps. you can have a perfect rotation going and still lose aggro for no reason whatsoever. you can fix it any time now bioware..... specing dps and not using a defensive stance is a pretty ****** "fix" for ****** aggro generation in tank spec.

i never said that my guardian sucks, i do very well on mine. im just simply dumbstruck on why the devs feel that cutting our resources in half justifies what our tanking stance does for us. esp seeing no other tanking class gets the same treatment, or has a tree that mostly just makes up for poor resource generation. i can see that the system was put in place to discourage hybrid specs, however there is nothing that really discourages it for the other tanks. shadows and vanguards do not need to needlessly waste talents on things that do nothing but offset the disadvantage the stance gives us. look at our tanking tree compared to the other classes! shadow http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#601.1 vanguard http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#801.1 guardian http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#500.1 6 talents that do nothing but reduce focus costs/ mitigate crappy generation, spread out all thoughout the tree, with the last being on the second highest tier. 14 talent point total wasted on removing an unnecessary handicap. this needs to be looked at seriously shadows get mechanic regeneration bonuses in tank though talents, 2% every shield and 30% faster regen talented. they have more "focus" in tank spec than in dps spec, remember they dont take a regeneration penalty for using there's and we are talking 5 talent points to do this not 14.

in tank stance focus builders give 1 focus i can use 2 talent points to make my other free attack on a 4.5 second cooldown to give me two. the cheapest ability is 3 we are hitting our free attacks alot more often than once and awhile, which is precisely why our dps falls so far behind as soon as we hit that stance button. to put this into another perspective imagine if your shadow only gained 4 force a second as soon as you slaped on your tank stance. that kinda severely limits what you can do in tank stance now? does it not? now imagine your ammo reloaded half as fast. spamming that free strike starting to get old yet?

its not cheap, you need to build up to it, and it works about 50% of the time, the rest of the time we are lucky to hit a 1700 crit. vanguards can pull 3600 crits off respectively on an Ability that requires no setup, and can be done safely from range with no cd (in tank stance.... the topic of this thread) bottom line is im not criting for 4.5k once every 30 seconds in tank mode, when i do that im still squishy, just like every other dps'er. there is nothing hybrid about that spec you posted either, it does dps. the whole point of this thread is this. guardian mechanic generation sucks in tank stance Why doesn't your's

noted, but when was the last time you saw a guardian top damage charts at 500k and pull off 50k protection. I also lose 9% damage by not being in dps form, 6% of that is talented. so if you would like to look at it that way i loss 9% overall damage and it takes 50%+ longer to get enough focus to use an ability that is not free of cost.

lets just take a look at the stances. vanguard http://www.torhead.com/ability/6pofcbM - no penalty gains a dps proc shadow http://www.torhead.com/ability/3b42lGN - gains more aoe, loses 5% damage... guardian http://www.torhead.com/ability/c5XO0xa - loses 50% focus generation..... just fyi every other stance we have also gains focus by being hit, though a single spec point. our entire "tank" tree just fixes the poor resource regeneration we have to deal with while in that stance. other tanks are free to spec dps and rickroll folks all day in tank stance.... with virtually no penalty in doing so.