We are not OP in any sense of the word in PVP, most VG damage done is on par with others if not below in warzones, however on PVE the Vanguard DPS is a useless class. We don't have a armor debuff, our damage (sucks now too) will suck further after the hybrid nerf, we bring nothing usefully to the raid especially when it comes to progression runs. BW and EA dont even play this game I think, because nothing they do makes sense, they are buffing the operatives for PVE which is going to make them stupendously horrid to face in PVP arenas again. Its either nerf into the ground or make them so uber that people don't even want to play anymore. Bring my damn assault spec back!

So then BW. Your going to kill the hybrid spec and not give any boost to pure tactics or assault? Great! cheers for ruining the game for Vanguards, an uninstall may be on the cards here.

Hey guys, I used to use an Assault spec before but ive been away for nearly 8 months now, and was wandering what the best DPS build is now, and what stats to stack? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!

People make me laugh, did no one see the damage output post on the PTS Forums. Our damage is just a little above a shadow, and lower than every other class, even scoundrels have higher/similar DPS. Considering we dont give any armor debuffs etc, taking a vanguard to any OPS with be pointless as a DPS, we had a niche, which was high bursty DPS, great for those little fights where it was needed, but now thanks to PVP Q Q Q and constant ****** moaning by sub-par players, weve been nerfed to the ground, so there goes my PVE experience, when 2.0 hits, if the vanguard is still as **** as it was on the PTS server, I will un-sub. Simple as that.

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Hell yeah!!!

Its very strange, its as if were pushed away from DPS Spec. I out DPS everyone on Operations at the moment, except one Gunslinger. I can hold my own thanks to reactive shield, but i dont want to have to pop that every time i pull aggro, i want to pop it when i really NEED it.

Why is it that every other class in the world gets an aggro management ability, bar the 2 that actually need it? Vanguards and Powertech's on DPS Spec do more burst damage than any other class, yet we are the only ones to not have an aggro drop, has anyone heard anything from BioWare to suggest that we may get one coming with the new expansion? It would be great to see, I cant even begin to count how many times I have pulled aggro on Operation Bosses, especially when I pop Battle Focus. Anyone else here having aggro issues?

I've gone full assault with full Eliminator Gear, I rarely hit below the 500k mark. That HIB Crit is the most plausible set bonus out of all of them, thats your main crit move.

thought so, thats why your defending them so heavily. My main is a infiltration shadow, which does only PVP. My main PVE class is a Vanguard. I just hate the fact that all this QQ'ing about pt's and vanguard is just ruining everyones PVE game as well. IMO anyone that says this and that is OP is BS and they just cant play well against that class. And if you thinking of team game, every class can get the same heals then a sniper with a pocket healer can outdo a vanguard at any time, marrauders with pocket healers can take me down in seconds, even if i pop every move in my arsenal and he uses rage, hell take me down to 0% within seconds. A blind, deaf, dumb and retarted monkey could play a marra/sent. All it takes is rage (or the equivilent) and master strike (or the equivilent) which hits at like 10k and which cant be stopped. The whole OP argument is BS. No class is completely kill-proof. Every class is brilliant in the right hands. which was my point

And i might be going out on a limb here but im guessing skolops is a shadow lol

Like i said, VG's/PT's have excellent output simple because they have nothing else to fall back on. Slingers/snipers can cover, and entrench which makes them invunrable to anything, pulls, cc's, throwbacks, jumps etc, then they throw you back, ambush, snipe, followshot, dead. its as simple as that for them. Shadows/assains can stealth out, black out, regen and come back in and do amazing amounts of dps again. Whereas vanguards can keep up the burst, once were engaged, were engaged, theres nothing else they can do, nowhere they can go, no defensive systems they can fall back on, nothing.

By good ranged dps im guessing your refering so our only good damage HIB right? because the rest suck, mortay volley was nerfed and compared to forcequake and that lightning storm doesnt do much, full auto does virtually nothing, and hammer shot is a pea shooter, its only HIB thats our ranged move. Heavy armor isnt much when compared to medium armor that can stealth at will mid combat, or become 100% invunrable. I mean ive played every class to date and the easiest ive found on pvp is a shadow, as if im about to die, i stealth and force run out, regen my health then come back for seconds, lol. Vanguards have good damage output simply because they have nothing else to fall back on unlike other classes, if they nerf there damage output as well, you might as well hang em up like a pinatta and take potshots, because they will be pretty much useless for anything else. Ive heard people talking of rated teams with 6 PT's/vanguards. That is just silly, and utter BS imo. No team would do that, People are just QQ'ing for the sake of QQ'ing because a good vanguard player steamrolled them that day. Ive beated every class and been beaten by every class in pvp, its not about classes, its about individual players.

Exactly mate, Like someone said earlier, its a rock, paper, scissor system. There really isnt a Over Powered, Win All class. I have no idea why people make classes out to be so...

It also depends what options you want available to you. Vanguards can DPS or TANK Commandos can DPS or HEAL There both excellent in there own right, it just depends what playstyle you like.

Ok, so i have got 50's on both imperial and republic side, currently on Red Eclipse server at the moment, all i ever see when i come on to these forums is bad players complaining that vanguards/powertechs have way to much damage, that they see way to many powertechs, that they are an OP class, that they keep 2/3 shotting them...etc...etc......ETC We did a 1 vs 1 tournament on The Red Eclipse, with all full war hero augmented players, all of them excellent players with full knowlege of there class. Guess who was in the final... 2 shadows Who was in the semi's? 3 Shadows and a Sentinal Quaters? 4 Shadows, 3 sentinals and a Vanguard Anyone see a re-occuring theme here? Im not here to QQ about any class, because whenever I PVP, i dont have any issues beating any class, and i dont have any class that i have a lot of problems with, I just dont understand why people are constantly complaining about VG's/PT's when theres nothing OP about them. They have no cleanses, No good self heals, No invunrability moves, No exit strategies. Each class is excellent in its own right, if you find yourself constantly getting owned by one class, my suggestion is dont look at thats right with that class, look at whats wrong with your play style. opinions please? and please no trolling.

Been vanguard since Beta stages, using assault spec. In my opinion if there within mellee range, keep using Ion Pulse, once the 6 seconds up use stockstrike (stockstrike has more chance of reseting your HIB cooldown but ION Pulse does more damage). Full auto is a waste of ammo at close range compared to ion, and hammer just doesnt do enough damage. Ion Pulse is only 2 ammo, and is your primary move as a Assault Vanguard. Just my 0.02 Cents

I stopped listening at sustained.

Happens to me quite often too. Just create a ticket.

I've actually had enough of people complaining, stop blaming the class, blame yourself, if you can't play your own class doesn't mean you should QQ about others. I have a vanguard and I have been killed by all ranges of classes as well as killing em. Same goes with my jugger, sniper, sage and shadow. Learn your rotations, set your key binds, and fight guys on your terms, every class is beatable. I've seen guys go against war hero classes with recruit gear then complain they hit to hard. Doesnt make sense. Your constant PVP complaining is just going to nerf our PVE ability.

That last bit somes it up for me, it's not that it's easier to get but the fact that people with the iq of a peanut will have 61 gear and want to run everything and anything even though they don't have the common sense to do so. Ive been in groups with guys with 61 gear that can't even finnish kaon under siege because they have gear but nothing else. Quite annoying in my opinion. This isn't a troll post just staying the obvious, this new easy to get BH comms have made a mockery out the gearing system....

I left out AP to get my 9% aim boost, which increases crit and power. I do better than most classes in warzones hitting 700k+ on an average game. It just depends on how you play tbh, it's down to personal preference

Ok. I'm a campaign vanguard as well as war hero. I do PVP and PVE. All I'm seeing here is a QQ thread that will not only limit my options and reduce my chances of getting into our number 1 Rwz group but nerfs that will make me obsolete in PVE Operations etc. Limiting so many of our abilities to 10 meters whilst we have no aggro drop/god-mode ability is like slapping all vanguards in the face. Your PVP complaints will ruin a "just about functioning" PVE class. We have one high hitting move that has already been nerfed, the HIB, and now you want an increase in its activation timer too? We can't survive half as long or output half the damage as classes like marauders/sentinels, assassins/shadow. But in my opinion it all comes down to how you play your class.

Thanks for all your responses , I mean im loving the PVP aspect of swtor too, except maybe the fact that people focus way too much on kills rather than objectives (but thats the same with every game in the history of man lol). Im 49 now and Oh So Close to 50, so cant wait to try out pvp at 50.

First off i want to start by saying this is my first MMO so i might not have a frame of reference for tanks in other games and frankly dont care about them. Every day i come on to find people complaining about Juggs, saying that they cant tank, they suck pve and pvp. why? Im level 47 now on my Juggernaught now and i think its amazing, im a noob at MMO's fair enough but i can solo heroic 2+'s with quinn, pvp im always top-3, my guild always comes to me to tank for flashpoints. I dont understand whats wrong with the juggernaught? ive stacked up endurence defence and shield ratings but i still get high DMG ratings as well as very high protection ratings. Any vet's here that can explain whats with all the complaining? or any advice for me at pre-50 i would appreciate it. Thank You