Tell me this then, why doesnt it brake pvp in World of Warcraft? Theres no bolster, couple sets of PVP gear ,no starter gear etc and nobody cries about it. Are Swtor players just worse?

See here we differ i dont mind working for my gear, and i did play in recruit gear - it didnt bother me. You would just give up. Well, some people just cant overcome difficulties. That what i was trying to say, isnt playing with outgearing you enemy more challenging than being bolstered?

Plain yes and no answers does not fit here so: A1: Yea i would accept the difference (dont know if its massive - did you test that?) Becouse im not afraid of fighting people with better gear. A2: It may discourage some not- pvp'ers yes, and that might be positive becouse i dont really need cowards in my team - so if they stopped playing it would be a plus for others. A3: Of two evils i think giving people Recruit gear is far bettter. A4:Why should it be unfair? Unfair is that they can play same as peaople that earned their gear ,but without anny effort. So no i dont think its unfair.BTW The matter of time to acquire nasic pvp gear isnt that bad, as you think .You buy the weapon as soon as you ding 55 (if you are not stupid, you will save your comms for it during low lvl pvp) - Its better already 1or 2 more Wz's and you havfe another piece of gear and so on. Its not that hard as you think. Okay so pve'rs are mountaineers i get it somewhat (choosing the difficulty they like, or maybe what's easier) Now think of pvp player as a guerilla who fight better armed army, that outnumbers him. He is not afraid becouse he knows he must fight and he will not be discoured by the difference. Wont just runaway if he sees opponents are better equipped etc. I think its the ATTITUDE difference between pve'rs and pvp'ers. You cannot imagine beating someone who has better gear, i KNOW it can be done. If you think you will louse before starting a fight ,you have higher chances to do so. And thinking that when you que you'll get into a group of guys with no gear vs players with maxed gear is wrong. Every team is going to have ungeared and geared people so it will be kinda balanced. That is your opinion i dont agree, but we both have a right to our own right? Skill is to deafeat a player that has better gear or 1v2 and so on. And now question for you: Q: How come people win fights like 1 vs 2 if from a point of gear it is impossible (2players -2x better gear )??

By superfun i mean lulz as you described it, doin that all the time is boring but pwning low gear from time to time time just makes me smile ;] . And who doesnt like to have gear advantage ,anyone who will say no, is a lier lol. Anyway what about 1st part of my answer? It seems you didnt read it.

(ok fast answer just for you, couse i gotta go sleep soon gonna write more later )the question was? "Do you remember when Recruit Gear was in the game? Have you ever been in full EWH and gone against players in Recruit? Was it fun?" My answer is : Yes, i remember recruit gear, started with it 50 lvl WZ's it was when war here was in the game already. At first it wasnt easy to beat outgearing me players, but i participated and earned commz to get gear pieces 1 by 1. Finished with min/maxed Elite War Hero, quit for sometime before Hutt Cartel was introduced(couldnt buy it no credit card). And i didnt feel like im suffering ,it was harder to beat better geared players but it was possible - that was normal thing for me (earning PVP set) as i played WoW since 2006 where there is no bolster, all new max lvl players go to battlegrounds to get their gear without any free gear or bolster mechanic and nobody cries about it. ) So as im a pvp player i played Swtor Wz's becouse i like PVP. 2. And yes going EWH versus recruit is superfun! : This is the reward for my hard work getting my gear. As i said before there are people who doesnt like challenge and people that does like it. With this kind of attitude you ppl wouldnt achieve anything in real life. But there are winners and loosers for a reason. Are you satisfied with my answer?

So you justify bolster just becouse it maskes que's go faster? Weard thinking, instead they should make cross server WZ's like in WoW. No need for stupid bolster. These are the rules of mmo's - you have to work for your gear, not go easymode. At least i like a challenge but it seems most of you are just lazy noobs that want to have everything without any commitment. Damn mmo's die just to please lazy, unskilled casuals. Expertise is very good way to differentiate PVP gear form PVE gear- 1st is vs players 2cnd versus mobs. Its very similliar ro resilience in WoW wich works fine for years. Well yeah they could add something : Most important now is to implement cross-server WZ's - but all in all its not that bad, i miss only open PVP areas with some goals and rewards for pvp'ing there. And how you want to implement story into pvp? You have any ideas? or you just want something but dont really know what?

I dont like to repeat myself but eh, what to do. Addin PVE bolster was never my point here I wrote a taunting topic so you Pve'rs can see the bolster the way i see it - affecting the part of game you like the most. I wanted you to understand how pain in the *** is it. But still you cannot see that its the same thing if you put it into pve or pvp. You dont like pve bolster and i dont like pvp one( in fact i dont like it at all). You are in better position though becouse there is no pve bolster. So, my real point is to show people how broken mechanic for endgame pvp it is, but as this topic goes i still see many ignorants that think PVP bolster is a good thing. Wow thanks for advice - now let me tell you how to get PVP gear: Save your wz commz while you're leveling, then go to fleet grab some gear that a guy called pvp vendor sells. Do dailies for a week and buy augments. Now you're perfectly fine for PVP. Some people think tha PVP is all about gear. They're wrong. A bolster won't let you faceroll good players. It is about expierience and training(period) that's the first step. You learn how to beat other players and what to do in specific warzones- stuff like that. Gear is the second step, and if you're able to get it, it means you've got the first step done Any questions?

Rofl, but you can be matched with people like you with equal gear. What are you trying to say? For what you wrote i guess you think gear is the only factor for wins in PVP. But hey, why am i not surprised - you are a pve player. Yes in pvp you can meet people with different gear, and this demands bolster for you? Do you know what fun it is to beat someone with better gear? (wait ,dont answer that) Well its pretty damn good feeling. So you play and get comms no mattter what gear you have - then you can get better gear and enjoy wins even more. If you start already with super bolstered gear you dont feel the progress you make, and it doesnt feel rewarding. Some people like challanges some dont - you and your content control is just an easy mode all the way- in some way you do the same thing you accuse pvp'ers for: You get good gear so you can easymode ops. So here's the difference: PvP can surprise you ,you never know who your opponent is, and every enemy have their own set of skills, you cant make up tactics vs. people - you gotta be creative think what to do in certain situations how to counter the moves enemy does - and that is fun! But you like to control everything, you want to know whats gonna happen so you can prepare, thus making the encounter no challenge at all. But hey! maybe thats the diference between PVP'ers and PVE'rs - you like ezmode, we like hardmode(dont think harmodes ops are hard becouse its called like that). But why we have to suffer becouse of lazy PvE'rs that want to do PVP without any effort. Why do you PVP at all go kill your bosses in ops again and again and again, same fight everytime - so interesting. GL , HF and leave PVP alone!

ELRunninW i wish you would read whole topic instead of just 1st post, read my last post on the previous side

Nonsense? its your ideas inverted from pvp to pve. Why bolster is good for PVP and bad for PVE Pls tell me

Yeah, so delete all but two tiers of PVE gear, 1st for bolster guys and second form NiM players

Maybe that guy was too lazy, maybe he wanted to be - like all the pve'rs in pvp. Thet just want to be competetive without any effort. And thay can! I want the same for PVE! Why should i care where do i have to go or spend money on gear? I dont want to - Me want make ops-Gief now! How do you know this? maybe PVP'ers would be happy - not seeing noobs in WZ's .There are PVP servers and i doubt it would make such difference in que times if noobs would stop playing WZ's. I think it would do more good. Well, i'd like to get some reward for my hard earned PVP gear - and that reward is facerolling, isnt it? ps. and please leave my grammar alone, there should be bolster for that too!

Bolster is such a great feature! Why dont you nice BW make a PVE one? I dont want to make boring fp's after i level 55 i want to do ops straight away, pleasme make PVE bolster becouse new ops players may be discoured due other ppl wanting to kick them from ops couse they have low gear Or maybe like peaple say before in pvp version - just give all new 55 players full ops gear? I dont know you gotta sort this out or i will unsub!! :mad: BTW i dont think adding new tier of PVE gear is okay becouse most of people dont want to grind another set of gear! Conclussion: Make PVE bolster!! its such a great thing let all experience it not just PVP'ers!!

Bolster is such a great feature! Why dont you nice BW make a PVE one? I dont want to make boring fp's after i level 55 i want to do ops straight away, pleasme make PVE bolster becouse new ops players may be discoured due other ppl wanting to kick them from ops couse they have low gear Or maybe like peaple say before in pvp version - just give all new 55 players full ops gear? I dont know you gotta sort this out or i will unsub!! :mad: BTW i dont think adding new tier of PVE gear is okay becouse most of people dont want to grind another set of gear! Conclussion: Make PVE bolster!! its such a great thing let all experience it not just PVP'ers!!

I'm really amused how some people think. You say that you dont want grind new tier of gear, well let me enlighten you: -YOU DONT HAVE TOO! -woah, hard to believe it right but thats the truth, noone stands next to you with a pistol next to your head and tells you to get new gear on your 10 alts. Anyway if its a GRIND to you, theres someting wrong (why do something you dont like-seems any of you whiners dont like pvp so why do it). In my case- i enjoy pvp and find it fun, so i dont find getting new gear a torment. Opposite, i find it something to go for, a reward so i can pwn some unskilled alt lovers with 10k crits BTW if you play 8 classes at once, you wont be ever good at any so why you guys bother - you will get pwn'ed no matter what gear you will have. Bah, i think it would be really frustrating for you if you'd got pwned by normal pvp'er in lower gear - just stay with current gear so you can make excuses for your defeats. About the new content you mention - no new pvp content - no need for you gear you say - SAY WHAAAT what is new content anyway in that case for you? there will be new huttbal so its new cont right? And comparing it to pve like that is kinda funny. "PVE'rs need new gear or new tougher bossess but PVP'ers dont need it couse eventually all will have same gear and will end up in the same situation" - well i can same same thing about PVE you farm content u got your super gear- you grind bosses ,then you get new bosses so you need new gear yes? but eventaully YOU WILL BE IN THE SAME POSITION as you were before new "content "was realesed-haveing best gear, farming toughest bosses ATM. Anyway, im happy your whines wont change anything. So i have nothing to worry about. conclussion: You dont want grind gear - go play some game like minecraft where you dont have gear at all, no gear no fring you should be happy. Cya in 2.7 ... or not (if you will leave i wont miss that kind o players - at least pvp playerbase will become a bit more healthy)