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  1. Good points. Like I said near the end of my post this game is still only beginning to grow and so the big decision of x-server vs. local only would require monitoring server growth and que lengths. Be thankful you don't know what it is. In concept it is a good idea, but then again so is communism. I only said I wouldn't include teleporting for the heroic missions(quests). I said it should be an option for the LFD tab. However the system you describe is very appealing. Mainly my rant came from all of the times that I was doing something and the que popped and I had to go or be forced to re-que again. The funny thing is that as soon as you were teleported to the instance you could then teleport to the spot you just left by right clicking the LFD icon...I never understood why they didn't just give the option to not teleport immediately. Another great idea if implemented I would be a very happy guy. As stated above the LFD tool would need time to see how pops and ques go but I am with many others for the LFD tool who are now believing that the option will one day be available. I want it to be an option though just like you, not something forced upon me. Thanks for the feedback
  2. This post contains the reasons why the current LFD tool in WoW should not be implemented in this game and an alternative that I believe would be better. Now for a brief intro, let me give you a little bit of background on my MMO experience. Quite simply, I played WoW since Vanilla, quit shortly after Cata, and now play ToR. From my experience, does ToR need a better LFG/LFD system? ABSOLUTELY! Does it need the current WoW LFD/LFR system (which I will refer to as the Wrath system since that is when it was implemented(SPOILER ALERT! There was a LFG system in BC, people just forget about. More on that later))? ABSOLUTELY NOT! Let me clarify what I don't like about the Wrath LFD tool. It is cross server and it restricts players based on "gear score". The basic points behind it of course to find a group for a dungeon which I am all for and, as stated above, do believe a better system needs to be implemented in ToR. Many of you may now be asking "Why not?" and others will quit reading at this point and throw virtual tomatoes at me. I implore you to hold your tomatoes and continue reading. Point Numero Uno: This is not WoW. (Granted I believe a WoW like system is in several popular MMOs now but I have only played this and WoW so I can't speak for other MMOs). Nor do most reasonable people want this to become a WoW clone or "WoW in Space" as some have called it. Why should we make a system exactly like WoW's when we could do better! (More on that later.) Point Two: It will Encourage Ninjas HOLD THOSE VIRTUAL FRUITS/VEGETABLES! This is an excellent point made by Manathayria that I partial agree with. The part that I agree with is that the current loot system needs to be changed ESPECIALLY if BioWare wants to implement a LFG/LFD system. Simple solution and the best one that I see is what Mana suggests. The need button should be grayed out for gear your class/AC cannot use and implement a "Need For Companion" Button so that people who say "BUT I NEED THIS FOR MY COMPANION!" can also be happy and not come QQ on the forums. Need comes before Need For Companion and Disassemble and Greed roll together. Everyone is happy! However, more Ninjas will come out, but let me expand that to say that more scum of MMOs will come out. "But that is your opinion, what evidence do you have to back that claim?" Unfortunately I don't have screen shots to back this claim but I have my experiences with the Wrath LFD tool, which were the vast majority of the time unpleasant. From when I was a hardcore player in Wrath to a causal in Cata my experience with the tool was dreary. Why? Because in a world where no one cares about what they do in an instance they will do what ever they darn well please. They will need gear they can need on just to sell it or strip it for mods. They will kick someone for not knowing the mechanics of a fight (This happen to me numerous times as a Cata casual, is it my fault I haven't run the instance before?), they will kick you because they think your gear sucks, (happened to me although my gear didn't suck, it just wasn't all purples), and you will get kicked because so and so buddy is also a Trooper and needs the gear (also happened to me before). Yes, there are people who currently do whatever they please in Flash Points and don't care about what others think but I can assure you there days are numbered. "Again, you have no concrete evidence to back this but just your opinion." Indeed I have only my experiences to go off of for this but I will explain. The day BioWare makes server specific forums (which is an inevitability) the crack down will begin. Since the clock has already turned foreword to a time in the not so distant future lets take a look at the state of things Bioware has released a major content patch and squashed most game breaking and annoying bugs. The forums and general chat have thus calmed down and now you have gotten to know several folks on your server. You have added some to your friends's list and when they get on you ask them if they want to run FPs because you know they are a good and mannered played. Then there is a guy named Baddy of the McBadBad Legacy who you know is rude and a ninja. You decide that his rein of terror must end. So you go to the server forum and limk screenshots of the guy being bad. Other post similar screenshots and suddenly everyone begins to learn that McBadBad is a bad player. No one groups with him so he has two options: Reroll and hide his legacy name, or switch servers. "That is a fairy tale. That doesn't happen." It used to. Which transitions us into Point Three: Wrath LFG Killed Server Communities in WoW Back when server communities were still alive in WoW this happened all the time. Why? because people took pride in their server. Some still cling on to the pride of old but most don't care about their individual servers, and why should they? Now that I can PVP and PVE with people from other servers it is like we are all one big community! Although that could have been a positive it turned into a negative. Once people figured out they could abuse people on other servers and get away with it they did, in increasing numbers. "I want to see these numbers." Again I apologize because I don't have said numbers. Many people probably used the Wrath LFG tool and never encountered anything I have said up until this point. But from looking through WoW's forums and hearing the experiences of RL friends and guildies I believe this was a common theme caused by the Wrath looking for group tool which only grew stronger in Cata. Point Four: Gear Score Should Not Infect ToR Although implemented with good intentions, to kindly let people know that they need to work on their gear because the dungeon will kick their behind, it turned into an Elitists' wet dream. Now they could kick scrubs without even inspecting them but just having their helpful little addon tell them the player sucks. People posted Gear restrictions for everything and for the casual player it was hard to join a group...which Blizzard thought they could fix by making the Tier below the current easily accessible once you could run dailies...but in reality succeed only in killing previous content. "Your opinion is showing again." Anyone that played Wrath near the end knows this to be fact and not opinion. Naxx, Sath, Maly and Uld were dead at the end and TotC was on life support. The exception being that people still ran them for mounts on a blue moon. I am getting off topic though. I could make an entire post about how WoW's loot system only shot Blizzard in the foot. So lets move on. In a nutshell, all gear score breeds is elitism. WoW was fine before it and would be a better place without. It can stay away from ToR. Point Five: Que Pops Interrupting Questing and Other Activities By this I mean that teleporting to an instance is a double bladed sword. On one hand you immediately arrive at the instance. Awesome! On the other if the que pops when you are about to finish a quest or in the middle of a dialogue than it could be annoying. If you weren't teleported when you accept the group invitation you could quickly finish up your business and jog over to the nearest FP shuttle, almost every planet has one, and arrive at the fleet in a still timely manner. In conclusion automatic teleporting isn't a necessity thanks to the already built in FP Shuttles, and if you still fly to the fleet on later planets you should really think about taking the shuttle for that purpose too. However I believe it should be an option because some people are demanding instant teleportation. Make it a check box in the new LFD/LFG tool and problem solved. "Alright. You have stated a few reasons behind you opinion. Tell us then. What would you have the new LFG/LFD tool be?" I'm glad you asked! Remember how I said there was a LFG tool in BC that was scrapped and many people don't even remember it existed? Well some people like myself and Manathayria do. However my experience with it was much different than his. I used the BC LFG tool all the time and easily found groups. Again different people have different experiences. "How is copying WoW's old LFG system better than its current one?" I never said to copy it. I said to use the model. One key component that jumps out at me that was scrapped in the current system was that it was a LFG tool, not a LFD tool. You could also look for groups for heroic quests! This is a key feature for this game because although the demand for a LFG tool in this game comes from the hate of long times looking for a FP, people also spend a lot of time looking for heroic quest groups. So What Would This New Better LFG Feature Entail? It would be a server wide que, eliminating the main current issue of not being able to look for people universally across the server. You would no longer have to sit at the fleet looking for a group and people who have left a planet but are still looking to heroics on it (I have seen several people on the fleet looking for people to do heroic quests) can que up. A universal channel is just an altogether bad idea, the Return of Barrens Chat. Which leads me into a key difference from the original WoW model, the LFD and LFG components should be separated. For those of you that didn't experience this tool. You could only que up for three things with the top being your first choice and the bottom being your third choice. You put heroic quests and dungeons on the same que list. For ToR I would still have a top 3, perhaps even a top 5, list of what you wanted to run on a Flash Point Tab. I would also include an All checkbox that would just take you to the que that needs you most. On that point I would take an element from the current WoW system which is the ability to declare your role on the Flash Point tab. Thus meaning if you selected All, you would be put to the dungeon group that has been waiting the longest for your role! This would be a vast improvement over the random selection that is WoW's dungeon que. As stated above I would make automatically teleporting to the Flash Point an option. This would make both groups, those who want it and those who don't, happy and remove the issue of having the que pop while fighting an elite mob and having to leave or be forced to re-que all over again. On to the issue of sever vs. cross server...I firmly believe that it should be server only and that cross server ques should only be used as a last resort. The game is still growing and the general population is still only around levels 20-30. Give it some time. If this system were to be implemented months from now and ques were still really bad then I would be a proponent of making cross server an option but nothing mandatory. On to the other component of this better LFG tool, the heroic quest tab! On the tab there would be a planet list where you could select the planet where you heroic quest is at (the ability to pick multiple planets to que for could be a possibility but I'm going to keep it simple for now). There would be a sub tab where you could select the heroic quests you wished to do (the ones you haven't discovered yet/aren't eligible for yet could be grayed out/blocked out/have a lock symbol over them) and you que up! Just like the LFFP tab (beter start using the ToR term! ) there would be an All and role check boxes to speed up ques. I wouldn't include the option to teleport on this tab because there isn't really a need and cross server wouldn't be an option obviously (unless free character moves were implemented XD). To conclude this post I will say this, a LFG tool is needed, but a copy and paste of WoW's is just not a good idea. I believe my version would address the issues players are having while not making one group angry and the other happy. I look foreword to constructive feedback on my ideas. Thanks for reading.
  3. Hey all, I just posted a new thread on this issue...and kind of feeling I should have just put it here instead. It is a wall of text, thanks to years of bottled up feelings about WoW's current system, so I felt that I would put it in its own thread. There is a lot of intelligent and well thought out discussion happening in this thread though making me feel like it would be better suited in here. Check out it and tell me what you think. BigGun Edit: Yeah I decided to move it. I'm so tired after writing it, I don't know why I put it in its own thread. XD
  4. I moved the post contained in this thread to http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=242271&page=52 which is the thread for the discussion of the LFG tool. Check it out there.
  5. I think this thread was labeled wrong. From what I am understanding your only issue with Tatooine is that it didn't show up on the loading screen for you. While I do recall a few instances while I was on Tat and it said I was headed for Alderaan I do remember my loading screen saying I was on Tatooine and stating the correct step on my story quest the majority of the time. I play a trooper and this is most certainly not a throw away planet for us because one of the traitors Havoc Squad is hunting is located on the planet. I agree with most people when I say that I loved the planet and I loved the old music and nostalgia feeling.
  6. I'm glad I found this thread because I was worried as well...since story is one of the most important parts of this MMO for Bioware I hope this is fixed.
  7. At the end of the Taris Bonus Series I chose to kill the Nekghouls, what I am wondering is if I can no longer acquire the Nekghoul Codec Entry because of this. I don't see any other way to get the entry. I hope this is not the case because it would seem unfair that you can't complete your codex due to a decision you made.
  8. I searched both the fleet and by my class trainer on Courasant and I can't find the trainer to respec. I clicked on the Advanced Trainers but they don't have the option to reset skill points.
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