i've been dps guardian from 1-50+, pve, pvp, groups, ops, fp's. never once have i been given a hard time about my damage. Traditionally, there's only 1 person i know hwo consistantly beats me on damage (sage, geared like crazy). If you want to dps guardian, go for it. recommend vigi while leveling to 50.

you realise the elites patrol, right? wait for 1 to dissapear, engage group. if the 2nd elite aggros, use awe.

i'm still tired of being CC'd during the sweep animation and losing its cooldown completely. for instance: set up focus sweep combo, inquisitor AOE pushbacks. Even if i start my sweep animation first, i get launched across teh map and THEN sweep. They don't take damage, i lose my cooldown, and now i h ave to start my sweep over. Same goes with being CC'd otherwise. Either do my damage, or give me my cooldown back.

surge = increases damage of critical hits.

troxi, to increase sweeps, u need surge gear. 3-3.5k is just a bit over entry level. 5k+ is geared fully for it. replace the mod slots in your gear for surge to increase it for pvp. (i say mod, but i mean whatever slot has surge, i forget names at work)

kaivan, everyone has same problems against operatives really, not just guardians. their stunlock is very powerful and if your CD is down, good luck.

exhastion, choke, exhaustion? That isn't 3 at 150%? sorry, not near my game, unable to do a quick check, so i'm asking a legitimate answer.

as focus, i basically get 3 boom sweep setups in before i have to back off for cooldowns.

did you trade out the power gear for SURGE gear on the pvp armor? That makes a massive difference. and if you can get 250k consistantly, then what is the major complaint? That's a very ligimate number for damage for any class. the subject of the thread is that guards are ifnerior - how is 250k inferior? it's on par. and can be improved significantly just by adding a healer, or if focus spec adding surge.

i'm nothing special at all gear-wise, i don't run with a group, and i consistantly obtain 250k. While 250k is not an absurd amount like his 436k, it's certainly very decent. the fact i have such poor gear and do this is why I suggest there's not this game-breaking weakness for the guardian class that everyone talks about. i feel like we are very near where we need to be. not quite right, but very close. people act like doomcallers as if we can only do 10k dmg and die.

btw, guard/soresu isn't the only way to get protection.... challenging call counts as protection, so does taunt. 30% dmg reduction can add up.

Ok, so the arguement is guardians suck and cant live or do damage, but anything people say or show is invalid as evidence because you can't do it? ok, guess i know who i'm arguing with. guess there's no point in arguing anymore. people can cry "we're broke" all day. fact is, we're not. Sure other classes can do things easier, but that doesn't mean we're broke because we have to work harder for it. Buff us, fine. I'll just be stronger.

FOR THOSE SAYING IM MAKING CRAP UP-- i claimed 295k dmg at 50, without having obtained pvp gear or surge gear yet... this guardian claims and proves 436.6k dmg..... http://i.imgur.com/mMJf5.jpg ya, i'm totally making outrageous claims and guardian damage sucks uber hard..... nope.

vigilence for leveling/pvp recommend staying vigilence for pve/pvp until 47, then switch to focus. focus isnt quite as uber until you can unlock a great chunk of the sweep perks.

operatives are the only class i typically have to burn all my CD's on. Well played sorcerers are hard to beat. Other than that, I fair very well 1v1 and have no fear taking people on. Although, i do remember people's names that are uber geared and avoid them. There's a sorcerer in particular that can make me dissapear in just moments cause his dmg is so extreme. but he earned it, he has grinded gear like mad. people will eventually catch up to him.

alderaan was owning me, even with me being higher level for it. I didn't care for that planet at all. the weak mobs did too much damage. other than that, the only lag i felt as a class was 18-23. I felt fine the rest of the time.

Thanks milk. Btw, my 295k dmg was with brand new lvl 50, no pvp gear, no surge gear, etc. Wait for me to install surge mods/gear and increase it up and it should go up quite a bit. My point isnt to claim superiority - my point is to say many people are doing insanely well as guardian. However, just because you are not having the same fortune doesn't make hte class broken. Check your gear, check your rotations, check your tactics/decision making.

Ya, I'm totally making crap up, cause it gives me such a benefit to? look on youtube, there's plenty of people facerolling as a guardian. There are people better than me and better geared than me all over the place doing the same thing. Keep calling guardian weak - i wont mind a boost, but it'll just make me overpowered. Guardian is perfectly fine at the moment, minus a few bugs that could use correcting. vigilence spec, I was normally 120-150k dmg, focus spec I am typically 200k+, with a normal being 250k, my highest being 295k. But ofcourse I'm lieing. And Ofcourse I'm also lieing when I say I've gone 50-0 without a healer. Yep. Change your tactics, you might fare better.

i grinded on pvp xp as vigilence spec from 10-47. I was consistantly top few Dmg each match. Even when i was still 30's against 50's. I changed to focus at 47 - I have now since become ridiculously top damage (250k+) each match. I never really have a healer either. So saying guardian is bad at pvp is just flat wrong. Sorry.

i felt weakest 18-23 i felt stronger after 26. the entire time, i've had no issues soloing, or SOLO pvp. i'm consistantly top 3 in dmg on pvp charts. I spent 80% of my time pvping tog rind to 50. I regularly put down 250k+ dmg in pvp's. if you're 21 and debating quitting, give it until 26 at least. vigilence spec until 40+, then decide between vigi and focus. I changed to focus at 47. vigi = pve primarily, pvp decent while grinding focus = end game pvp, questionable pve.

I use Scourge most often. trick is, i turn off his taunting stance. That way, some mobs aggro him, some mobs aggro me. we split the tanking job. he does mediocre damage, but it's faster than using doc and it's more efficient than using kira/rusk cause i dont have to rest after each fight. dunno why scourge is hated so much. plus, him being melee makes it easier for me to AOE bomb. -50 guard.

Why do sages 100% get rocks? Why do sorcerers 100% get lightning? Why does this have no impact from alignment? Why can a sage go pure evil not obtain lightning? Why can't a sorcerer who goes pure good obtain rocks? I'm not saying unlock it at level 1 good/bad, but at least by lvl 3? Since the class is a 1:1 copy of each other, why couldn't they have made that possible? I feel like republic is outmatched in wz's due to having fewer sage players, and i feel this is directly related to the "cool" effect of lightning/evil. Obviously this question extends itself to shadow/assassin.

I'd recommend either biochem or synthweaving - But in the current state of the game, I'd say biochem.

currently lvl 40 guardian, 330ish synthweaving i'm not a super min/max'r, but basically i was debating either going to 50 with synth and holding onto it until i could make a set of blue/purple 50 armor (rakata, particularly), then drop it for something else like biochem. my question is, based on the way the mechanics of the system work now, would i be better off dropping it now, max'ing biochem and getting the reusable rakata stuff, then going back to something else later? basically, i dont know how easy it's going to be to obtain rakata items or the schematics. Combine that with the fact i aim to have a higher set of pvp gear (i pvp exclusively pretty much to level and end game), not sure how much use i'll get from the armor set. basically just looking for an opinion here, doesn't have to be the greatest answer ever. just wanting to bounce the idea off someone more familiar with the end game mechanics.

i just level in pvp =x