everyone is quitting. Whats sub count at now? I bet you it will linger around 1-300k by the end of the year and slowly dropping after that. I had to really try for 2 months subscription. I cant imagine but 1-10% of the players would be interested in persistant play. How many raids and end game instances are in wow? Swtor doesnt have one raid. If you consider a 16 man instance a raid its your first mmo...youll see itll get old fast.

There is end game. Its just not worth the time and energy to do it. Daily's isnt end game thats work. Takes too long to put togethor a pve group. And pvp is never balanced. The match shouldnt start unless its 10v10. 120 seconds of getting dominated by twice as many opponents isnt pvp. Its a waste of time.

I made my 50's in 3 days played time. Thats not much. Considering i come from a generation of putting years on eq accounts.

Have you played on zez kai ell? I was first to 50 on the server and watched the next 30/50 levels never log on again. I had most of them in my guild. Dont comment when youre a third party speculator and the person talking is speaking from what he sees.

Oh addendum... Ill come back when theres a game wide pve match making service. I assume if you got pvp so wrong youll never get that right so I wont worry about that. But if you throw in an auto match making system for the hard modes and ops id be game.

3 level 50's. Marauder, powertech, low pop server...about as valuable as sand in the desert. Moved to a high pop server, got a shadow to 50. Low pop server...desolate waste of space. Whats the unsub rate for 50's on zez kai ell...has to be like 80% already. So not even gonna talk about that. Moved to a high pop. Got 50. PVP matches are ALWAYS 5 reps full imps, 120 seconds of getting destroyed by a full pvp group of rank 60+ solid battlemasters. So thats a waste of time. PVE, simply, no one does it. By the time you get a tank the healer has to log, vice versa, etc. Theres a guild called Echelon thats a social guild that swallows up all the 50's and forces them to unsub when they see theres 19 other sentinels in the guild and theyre wasting their time if they wanted to join an ops gorup. I sat for 2 days lfg, literally, had no luck. Tried to create a pve guild, literally had no hits. My general chat responses were all the same, this game's pve is too sorry to make a serious end game guild. So none of that. Now what? Daily's? I have a dog, a girlfriend, school, work, I surf, hell I even have dishes to clean. Why on earth would I play a game for 2 hours every day doing the same pointless quests for...mods? If I have to do menial work, trust me, im going to spend that energy on real life menial work. Dailys arent video games. Can you imagine getting on Half Life 2 release day and them telling you you have to repeat each level every day for 20 days then you can beat the game. Video games are for fun, not work. Anyways...thats a waste. So what do people do on my server? Craft to supply the demand for gear for the althoholics. Race around the station on their speeders, talk in general, go die in ilum pvp in the off chance that theyll jump an afk imp....ha...Sorry bioware. Great game....till 50.

It was the Kaon event that really grinded my gears. We kept trying it and trying it and getting further but the event would never end. It got to the point where we were like ok theres something huge were missing or this is just impossible. The guy on the gun was doing great and we would last awhile but...itd come to a screeching halt when he got knocked off and we got overwhelmed. The other problem I think is we have a really really low geared dps juggernaut whose not helping much and I dont think has a knock back that wouldve been usefull on the BoI boss that spawns adds every few seconds. I can grab aggro with the flame aoe but someone breaks it pretty quick. We're learning. And like Raynne I think his name is said those are the harder hard flashpoints. Black Talon wasnt very hard. Were gonna do all more of those type hards. I appreciate peoples input I did read all your responses and some were pretty helpful.

Thats what I needed to know Raynn. We jumped into battle for Ilum and one of the new one...cant even remember the name. Rakghoul one very left 4 dead like. We beat Black Talon I got some bracers off the last boss. I gotta get my undergeared guild into some purples and out of the greens and blues too. Thanks.

First off, if youre a troll or not level 50 exit this thread IMMEDIATELY. First off class issues with Powertech 1. 2 Taunts, 1 of which has a 45 second timer. Now it hasnt been in issue but in hard mode there are waves of mobs in many many areas that come at maybe 20 second intervals. So that aoe taunt is pointless. Making highest dps or anyone aoe'ing main tank and negating any sort of purpose a main tank has other than some added dps. The taunts in this game are poorly thought out and not taken into mind in hard mode. 2. Im easily the best geared person on my server. Every piece of gear is +def and +shield with between 116-136 armor rating on everything and normal modes are a breeze with no deaths. Get into hard mode and some bosses will literally flash my entire hp off doing no casting effect just some invisible aoe and Im dead. Or they throw a bomb and it does 8-10k hp? Seriously? The amount of damage done by things in hard mode is literally shocking. The turrets spawned in Battle of Ilum on the boss with the inq and the sniper and as soon as they popped i shot my one pointless single target taunt into one and in the time it took for that dart to leave me and hit the turret my healer went from 80% hp to 0 hp. 3. I have 3 and 8 tionese coms and crystals and ive killed 6 or 8 bosses over 3 unbeatable hard mode flashpoints. 4. We die litterally untill we realize the flashpoint isnt beatable and move to another. Its just a flashpoint. Do you understand that? ITS....JUST....A....FLASHPOINT. This isnt some ultra exclusive last boss in the game nonsense no...its just....a flashpoint. Why do we have to die 40 times and quit on a hard mode while the normal modes we die none and the gear is redundant. 5. The only way to beat bosses is exploiting. You have to drag around a boss untill he gets glitched in a corner and cant shoot anymore or he drops into a small tear in the ground and cant line of sight you but you can line of sight him. You guys made a game that is so hard people who want to play and enjoy the game literally have to cheat to play. 6. The gear is redundant EXTREMELY quickly on medium mode flashpoints. I mean by the time you finish ilum all the mediums that drop Correllia coms are worthless and a waste of time. 7. You F'd us big time on light pop servers with the new pvp level cap. There are only 20 level 50's in our entire server 5 or 6 of us pvp'd. The republic has 10 or 15 level 50's of which 3 or 4 pvp. So you literally ended our pvp. So now what? We can do medium flashpoints for nothing. We cant pvp. We cant do hard flashpoints....For a game thats more or less been out for 3 years...Im shocked. I feel the same way I did in Rift when i got to 50. I get on the forums to ask ok what now. You need 300 pvp commendations of which you get a couple a day for 1 item and you need 300 pve commendations of which you get one a day and no one raids in that. One person said reroll, one said craft, two trolls called me an idiot and I cancelled the sub. So is SWTOR another one month and quit mmo? What now? This is a serious post. I need to know where to go. Edit: If anyone is curious I have 2 level 50's. Object who was the first to 50 on my server a marauder and Darkforces a 50 powertech. This post is getting too long already if anyone is interested in talking specifics in specific flashpoints just say so.