This thread is ****ed. Top 4 heals on the first healing screen shot should be top 4 heals on the board. 3.6M, 2.8M, 2.6M, 2.4M. Also the top 2 dmg should be on the board. 1.8M and 1.7M

How is healing #2 said to be 2.58M when the screenshot only says 2.1M?

Spot on.

WoW has to do with it because it's the best game in this category so it's a good marker. Negative feelings and opinions are mutually exclusive why? My feelings toward this game are what form my opinion of it. Without feelings toward it, I wouldn't have an opinion about it.

I wasn't talking about the patch. I was talking about the "expansion" which was really just a patch miss labeled as an expansion. Woo, you got to level up 5 levels. So what? That took less than 10 hours and didn't replace a single piece of gear while doing it. It added a couple ops, releasing some higher levels of some flashpoints and releasing a tiny new zone. That's what passes as an expansion? They've done the exact same thing with patches without the level upgrade, so that's all it takes to be an expansion now? 5 levels that take **** all time to get?

No. I did just simply state my opinion, you must have just failed to recognize that. No matter how good they make swtor there will be people that like WoW better and now matter how good they make WoW there will be people that like swtor better. That is all opinion. There is no factual way of working out which is better so which one people like more is nothing more than opinion. You may be right about me miss using 'majority'. I was simply replying to a post that said my critiques had been done to death, so I probably could have used a better word, but whatever, if lots of people are complaining about it, then they should listen.

That's like saying people shouldn't voice their opinions about their government, they should just move to another country and send a letter saying why they're leaving. I enjoy this game enough to pay to play. But I also see how this game could be a lot better, so I'm voicing my opinion about it in the hope that if enough people do so, they'll listen.

If the critiques have been "done to death" it's a pretty good indicator that the majority of people want this **** changed. So if we keep posting about it; hopefully they'll change it. "I for one" is great for you, but believe it or not, people make games for profit and the open market is a democracy. So while you can stand up against the majority all you want, the game will go under and cease to exist when you're the only one playing it.

First of all, lets not get it twisted, this is a patch disguised as an expansion to get players back on. Hats off to ya, you got me back, though that'll be short lived. Last ditch effort to make a bit of cash before going under? Anyway, *** is with these tiny commendation and rep caps? Rather than making the game more difficult they opted to just make you play less for a longer duration? It's like BioWare has no idea what kind of audience MMORPGs attract. To be a successful MMORPG you need the content to keep people playing 5+ hours a day at the very minimum. I shouldn't be able to reach my weekly cap in a day. That's ridicules. This is the only failure MMORPG I have ever cared about. It had to potential to be better than WoW, but came just short on in so many areas and they all added up to it being ****. Anyway, thanks for trying BioWare, better luck next time.

Yeah, this post went on a lot about the whole gear thing, I was mainly just replying to people and that's what they were talking about.... But anyway, at this point it's just the same points being made, just worded differently. So no point continuing.

You people seem to be making this purely about what other people are wearing, that's only a tiny part of the issue. The key reason I'm pissed off is cause now there is no point in running HM EC. I still needed gear from there, then over night they removed any any need for me to run it. Sure it was a hell of a lot of fun running the place for the first few weeks, but once you have it on farm the fun that comes from it is getting gear and talking **** on Vent with your mates. Remove the getting gear and you're left with something you can do on any other game and no reason to play this one.

If NM EC is out in the next 6 weeks I will retract everything I have said on this post. But having cleared HM EC in rakata gear, I'm sure you'd be able to clear NM EC in BH gear which you could get without doing HM EC prior to 1.3. HM EC was the first time they made PvE challenging in this game, but they still didn't make it anywhere near challenging enough. 4 bosses? And most of them learnable in less than a night? Ridicules. I don't know if my definition of deserving is narrow, clearing the hardest content to get the best gear only seems logical. Do you disagree with this? If so, why?

God this is incoherent, let me try to decode what you're saying. "If people around me are bad its because i have fail to help them improve" I'm guess here you're trying to say I should waste my time carrying people and teaching them how to play?... I don't play games to hold noobs hands. "if your out of stuff to do in game that not other fault that's your own" Ummm, are you trying to say me running out of content to run and gear to acquire is my fault?... I don't work for BioWare and they're the only ones in charge of content and gear, so it's 100% on them. If I had a say over what happens in the game, trust me, no one would be out of things to do. "as for time and effort well not every one has the time so should they miss out or be left behind" No, but they shouldn't be equally rewarded either. In 1.2 they could get pretty damn near BiS gear, but they couldn't get actual BiS gear. That's the way it should be. "as for effort your right its nice to see other put in the effort u do so surround yourself with those that do" I do... But there is no point in it any more. " your complaints are just the fact your bitter that not every one has to do what you did (and many others your not special there) to get your gear." Wow it is actually a lot easier to ready your **** when I break it up. You know, like '.' and ',' would if you spent 5 minutes paying attention in class and learnt about them. Also learning the difference between 'your' and 'you're' would help you out a lot. Your (hahahaha I make me laugh) kind of right here, that is one of the things that is bugging me; but as I stated before, my main complaint is the fact that they removed any reason for me to play the game. " facts are fact this is a game if your this upset about a game RL must be hard for you" Fact are facts? Really?!?!?!? This is a game, your facts are facts are spot on there. I don't know if RL is hard for me though, I haven't bothered with it in many years.

You do realise it's extremely easy to cater to both yeah? In fact pre 1.3 swtor did cater to both. I can't really understand your horrible grammar, but I'll assume you were attempting to insult me for being an elitist. The truth of the matter is, I'm not actually an elitist, I just think everyone should be rewarded on their merits. Giving everyone the same reward no matter their skill/time/effort level is ridicules and I'm pretty sure if you had ever been good at something and the lazy/bads around you had been rewarded the same for it you wouldn't be happy about it either. But that isn't even my main problem, I wouldn't care less if bads around me were wearing the same gear as me, as long as I still had something to do in the game. I'm upset by this patch because it eliminated any need for me to play it. I have cleared everything and have all BiS gear. I was fairly close to this before the patch, but I still had a 2-8 weeks to go, depending on how good my rolls were. Sure, as a person that actually put the effort in to becoming a good player, it annoys me that bads get equally rewarded to me, why wouldn't it? But, like I said, it's not the main reason I'm upset.

The issue is a combination of the fact that they can get 61 mods and augment rakata gear. Either of these alone isn't a big deal. Being able to augment rakata gear but only having 58 mods in it would be fine or being able to put 61 mods in rakata gear but not being able to augment it too would be fine. Both these leave a situation where you can't get BiS gear without running the hardest content, which is how it should be. But when you combine being able to augment rakata gear with being able to get 61 mods for it, it leaves you with a situation where you can get BiS gear without setting foot in the hardest content. It's just stupid.

You can easily clear HM EC in rakata gear and as such I'm more than happy to recruit people in rakata for my elitist guild. In fact I'm happy to recruit people wearing greens, as long as they have skill, cause BioWare keep ruining the game and all the good players quit, so it's worth putting the effort in to gearing up that 1 in a thousand good player you come across. Why do people get so upset about good players being proud of being good and wanting to be properly rewarded for it? Is it envy? Jealousy? Do you just want a pat on the back and told you're good too? Well you're not and you don't deserve to lied to like that.

Yes they did a terrible job itemising the gear and you've had to buy BH gear to strip for mods from day 1 (personally I kinda liked this cause it gave me more to do, but that's just me). But HM EC only became obsolete with 1.3 because you couldn't get BiS gear without running it prior to that. You had to run it for the armorings so you can chuck them in orange critted gear so you could get the set bonus and an augment. Now you can just chuck an augment kit on to T/C/R sets to get the set bonus and an augment.

Exactly. Reduce every stat on BH gear by a couple, then there is still a point to getting Campaign. Although they'd have to itemise the Champaign a bit better for this to work.... But I guess if I had to get 8 Campaign helms to get the mods I wanted it would keep me busy for quite a while.

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You raise some good points, but it is too early to make it easier to get and it still feels like a f***ing slap in the face to those of us that put the time and effort in. As for gearing up alts, HM EC can be cleared in s*** gear, it's just a matter of learning the mechanics. If you have put the effort into doing this on your main, gearing up your alt is going to be easy. It is fine to make good gear easy to get in preparation for new content, but don't make it the best gear in the game, that just leaves us fully geared with nothing to do for months, as if we're not going to move on to a different game when that happens.

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you mean. When did crafting come into this? You're going to have to explain that a little bit clearer. I'm against being able to craft augmentation kits, that's what this entire post is about.... You've really lost me. Being able to pay for something that should take skill? Why would I support that?

And I respect that. If you want to look different then sweet, run HM EC to get the armorings you need. What I'm saying is you shouldn't be able to get the same stats (or close to) without setting foot in the hardest content (which you can currently do)

Ummmm... The Tionese/Columi/Rakata shells all hold the set bonus. You can just get any of this gear, chuck an augment kit on it and chuck full 61 mods in it. This can all be done without setting foot in HM EC. Sure you might miss a hilt for you MH/OH but that's only a couple stats. You can still fully mod your MH/OH with black hole gear, the only thing you need from the campaign gear is the hilt. Sure there might be a few mods/enhancements that you can't get from black hole gear, but so far, from what I've seen, people that actually know what they're doing wouldn't want them. At the end of the day, apart from a very very few mods, you can get pretty much all BiS without setting foot in HM EC.

I respect your position but disagree. The problem is definitely that you can earn BiS gear without running the hardest content. Yes, if they made it harder to get BM comms it would be less of a problem, but it would still be THE problem. They have made it possible to get pretty much all BiS gear without setting foot in the hardest content (with a few exceptions) and then made it pretty easy to do so.

Good tanks would do that. This dude seems to be one of those tanks that thinks it's better to have more hp than to prevent dmg in the first place. Glad I always healed smart tanks that realised preventing dmg is key. But at the end of the day he is correct. The only way he can really get his s*** mods is by running HM EC.