Very useful stuff thank you for the opinions. I have the other issue of playing the The constant which I am pretty sure is the lowest pop server in the game, so grouping is not always easy.

Thank you for the encouragement.

I am really not a wagon jumper I just wanna know if the scrapper is still viable for a fun lvling experience because so far i love the scoundrel story. I also have a Commando at the same lvl and area (she is gunnery) so i like playing her too but I think the story on the scoundrel is better so far. BTW your sig is so true. Finishing up Dollhouse now, such an odd show.

I have been lurking for a while and was wondering if playing a Scraper for PvE is still viable I am still only lvl 23 but all this negativity is really bringing me down. I really do not want to be ignored for grouping just based on my class. Should I respec to Sawbones/Scrapper for solo lvling or will full scrapper be fine without the talents for healing in the sawbones tree? If so does anyone have a useful post 1.2 build for solo lvling a scoundrel? Thanks for reading and for any useful advice.

"MMO xyz is coming out and it will be perfect!" Guild Wars 1 had a problem with cookie cutter builds and I doubt many games have had more pvp balance updates than GW. Eventually a lot of skills were split pvp/pve in GW1 so this may not be the worst idea.

Mmmm this is what I was hoping for. I'm one of those that likes to play the least popular class but went with sorc for healing, story and to duo lvl with my Jugg friend but was turned off by the inquisikids and the class popularity. I am really happy that most are rerolling so now it's my type of class again. /hipster. Then again least wanted and least popular are not always the same thing. *crossing fingers*

Bioware is not a new developer and based on how you are posting my guess is that Bioware as a company is older than you are.Proof http://bit.ly/Im6Ymd You trying to turn a thread about patch changes for SWTOR into an argument about Day one DLC. There are better places to talk about your opinion, like a personal blog.

they are too busy playing the game?...

The most useless word one can write when trying to persuade anyone is "you." You are a moron to think everyone playing an MMO has bothered to suffer through that grindfest of cartoon trash. (See i am not trying to convince you that you are a moron, i'm telling you). Why would you not include a TL;DR?

Same here i am just using this to hold me off until GW2

XD best part of the movie!

It is just simply not in the design. Games like this are not designed to allow you to have everything at once. You have stock strike and gut, both pretty strong melee range and a ton of armor, you have a few DPS skills as a vanguard that are pretty much melee range but must use a gun. Last time i will say, Scoundrel can do both and gets the nifty stealth generator and delicious scattergun backstabs while still retaining it's mid range options.

No. Don't ever believe this. If someone tells you this (male or female no judging) they are lying to make you feel good. Poor guys getting lied to, of course the size of the gun matters >.>

You honestly are not getting the point of the class system. Yes there are "fancy skill tree and customization options" but no matter how you spec those trees the point of the class stays the same, troopers are a ranged class. Like an above poster said, if you want to play a melee tank then stop with the vanguard and pick up a glowstick because the vanguard will never be both powerful ranged and powerful melee. Once again, try a scoundrel you might love it.

TC you just want the class to be something it was never meant to be, if you want to play a class that can swap from melee to ranged i would say the operative and scoundrel are most like what you are looking for.