I think he was a fair bit stronger than a Wookie! But yeah I see your point, I did re-watch the scene and I never saw him use his lower arms, but the fact that his arms are longer and further away from his body means he can wield those with more freedom. I doubt bioware would take the time and effort to make that a reality either.

Thanks very much! That was helpful I know when to go on a spending spree!

Then we will have to agree to disagree. You saw Dooku losing, I didn't. It never showed Dooku strained or scared or anything. Do I believe Dooku could beat Yoda? No. But I think he was enough of a challenge to Yoda that it isn't a cakewalk. Dooku is not the kind of opponent that Yoda can give even the tiniest inch to. And there is more proof by me saying I am right, in that, actually trying to find a real answer to all of this is dumb. The way you perceived the fight is different that how I saw it. Based on this, and all the other opinions and things out there, there is no real answer, unless it comes from George Lucas. I understand that, there are things limited in the movies especially the orginals, and they didn't have fancy effects etc to really show the force off, but in the movies the characters never came across as powerful, and then you say something like "Vader can crush an AT AT with his hand effortlessly." Do you understand why I think that is ridiculous? To me, the force IS strong, but feats like that make it ridiculous. If they can do that, why even bother having a lightsaber battle, it makes no sense. If Vader can crush an AT AT, whats to stop him from crushing the emperor with the force? Its just dumb to me. And in MY personal view, regardless of what canon says, George never portrayed the force to be powerful on that level in the movies. Even in the Clone Wars show, it was nowhere near comic book levels. Not even close. I think Vader is strong, but not so strong as to not have a serious chance at losing to guys like the Wrath or Darth Marr if he makes a mistake. I think its really silly that people always say the originals have to be the best. Lucas said Luke is the strongest. And that is ok with me. I personally don't see it, but ok. I just do not like it when things are blown up to be something they are not. And to me, the force is not something that can be wielded to the point where someone is basically a god. Its a powerful tool that they use in addition to their lightsaber. Crushing an AT AT, sure, I could believe it. But only with the utmost focus and huge amount of effort from any user attempting the feat. Making it effortless trivializes the force and makes everyone who has not done such a thing, whether they had the power to or not, seem weak by comparison, when they are most certainly not.

Excuse me while I roll my eyes at your attempt to try and make yourself out to be superior in both knowledge and intelligence. I said the people who argue with me are idiots because, its all hypothetical. Darth Vader can crush an AT AT apparently but can't beat a half trained Jedi in Luke Skywalker. Uh huh. Darth Sidious can apparently destroy an entire planet with a force storm but loses to Luke and Vader, and fights to a stalemate with Yoda. Uh huh. Books and comics are in my opinion worthless. Anytime there is a comic especially, powers etc are blown up to ridiculous proportions far past what ever happened in the movies. It is stupid in my opinion. By all means blow Vader up to be the Superman of the Star Wars universe if you like. The Batman community is one of the most cancerous on the internet because they all believe he's "SO SMART" that with "prep time" and his "peak human" this and that, that he simply wins over any adversary because "prep time", "peak human", and "billions". If you want Vader to be cancer, then please continue listing his ridiculous accolades from comics and books that were only put there to sell copies, not because they made any logical sense. Dooku fought Yoda and was never really in danger of losing, although he eventually would have. The same Dooku then took out Obiwan like he was yesterdays breakfast but lost to Aniken, who then lost to Obiwan. Yoda could certainly beat human Vader and Obiwan at the same time, no question. Once you are at a certain level of the force, its anybodys game. The Wrath, Sidious, Yoda, Windu, Dooku, they all could probably beat each other on different days in different situations. It is idiotic to argue over something that has no concrete answer. It is a waste of time. So use your blah blah logical fallacy crap all you want, it still doesn't change the fact I am correct. I stated my opinion, and I don't care for someone elses, its just my own. Everyone has a different way of interpreting things, so there are no real FACTS in Star Wars unless George Lucas says they are. How you see something may be different from how I see it. All of this is 100% hypothetical and, on top of that, it isn't even real, LOL. There is no way to tell who would actually win. Also feel free to correct me on any grammar mistakes too, you seem like you're THAT guy.

I have some money I'm sitting on but I'm getting impatient. When does this game usually start their special deals related to Christmas?

If you haven't seen that video before you are in for a treat. If you thought Maul was cool, well, check this guy out. I'm not sure if someone with only 2 arms could pull it off, I looked up in the wiki and it said his 4 arms allowed him to do this, but I never see him use his other arms to wield them, just his top 2. So maybe for a very skilled Jedi or Sith, it might be possible. Would you guys like to see a class option that lets use do this?! I would! Of course, the coolness of it would be ruined since everyone their mom, their dog, and their dogs unborn babies babies would play it, but it would still be awesome!

I believe its all up the the individual how strong they rank. Unless the creators actually say, its just our own opinion. I won't try to convince anyone of it. I think Darth Vader would lose to the wrath though. We never see Darth Vadar as an actual powerhouse, he lost to Obi wan and didn't really get THAT much stronger afterwards, he couldn't take Palpatine down after all. I believe in a very long extended fight, Mace might beat him, I think the Wrath might have to either overwhelm him very quickly, or he would either lose or it would end in a stalemate. Yoda, it could swing either way, but as one of the most powerful Jedi from any era, ever, I'm gonna say Yoda wins. I don't think the Wrath would be dumb enough to get into a fight he couldn't win though. I think he would certainly be strong enough to be able to retreat. Dooku, HAH. Dooku is probably the better swordsman, but I think the Wrath takes it. Dooku lost to Vadar, who lost to Obiwan, and Dooku destroyed Obiwan. Dooku loses to the Wrath. This is all my opinion, if you choose to argue with it or say I'm wrong you're literally an idiot who just wants to see his own words out in the world to make yourself feel special or superior. This is all just us being nerds and having fun. All of it is hypothetical and there is no way for any of us to ACTUALLY know.

Obviously the new one. Scourge can't be that strong if he is now serving some Jedi. If he had 300 years to train etc, why wasn't he strong enough to become the new emperor? Or improve his position etc. 300 years and he did fk all with it.

Pretty much man. I enjoy the story and I play this like a single player game. I subscribe for the same reasons and I am enjoying it a lot. I hate the new change to flashpoints, that is my only big issue with the game. Going into a flashpoint as dps with 3 other dps. They really need to rework that. Other than that I'm loving the game.

That however is different and not what the subscriber rewards is supposed to be offering. I am sure they are working on SOMETHING to keep people interested in the game, repeatable content and the like. But, its kinda ridiculous because they are 2 seperate things. Its not meant to be a replacement. Its an EXTRA. That is what people are not comprehending. They can't just come up with content like you are talking about in a couple weeks.

I can understand if you like pvp, and there aren't any new maps/content for you, well, I can understand you being upset that some of the subscriber rewards, aren't based on that. I can. If you like raiding and there are no new operations announced etc, I can understand that too. It wasn't what you hoped it would be. It just seems strange that, on TOP of all the new content they are going to be releasing up until KoTFE is finished, they are doing a subscriber rewards thing, where they give you something, just for supporting the game, for free. Why be mad about it? It seems silly to get mad, because its almost like crying and having a fit because you didn't get the EXTRA toy you wanted for Christmas. That is literally what people are angry about, so don't sugar coat it. You can't really say its cut content etc. Its not like the content is in the game yet. If you want to take a look at actual cut content, look at Total War - Warhammer. An entire faction only playable if you pre order, cut from the game 6 months before release. THAT is cut content. Enormous difference from what is going on here. They did a survey and based on what the community wanted, they gave us rewards based on that. They thought people would be excited for some new story based content, a new popular companion coming back and on top of it, a special mission where you can play as HK-55. Its all a bonus! Its stuff that is being added on as EXTRA. Like, if you bought a standard version of a civic with no nav system, and they decided to throw in the nav system completely free ON TOP OF WHAT YOU ALREADY KNEW YOU WERE PAYING FOR. And then, so what, you get mad at the dealership for throwing in the nav system you knew you weren't going to get a second ago? All of a sudden, its not good enough? You're ungrateful and want the leather seats, the sport suspension, and the 18 inch sport wheels thrown in for free too? Might as well gouge em for everything they are worth right? When you put things in terms like this, its really easy to understand what a douche you are if you're one of the ones complaining and making a fuss about it.

You guys are ***** bioware wow. If I would have known you woulda done this I wouldn't have even pre ordered or bought the game at all. Me, my little brother, and my dad all took the day off today, excited to play your game. Instead, you tell us all this ******** day one, and now its likely we won't be playing at all for who knows how long. You guys are *********** lying *****, I feel totally betrayed. Cuz its not like there was ANY information on how this worked until today, you cheated a bunch of people into thinking they would have early access, when alot of us likely wont have it until a day or 2 until launch. **** you bioware, if I could reverse the preorder I would. Hate lying sack of **** companys.