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Same PvP lead designer in both games.
GG Bioware.
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It takes about a month to grind BM than you have to you know, get the gear.
It could be longer than a month. Bioware needed to yank the servers down all day yesterday instead they let people gain insane valor by "exploiting"!!
GG Bioware! What a joke.
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Sorry people got insane amounts of valor yesterday.
You aren't being trolled. It happened. Mostly was Empire farming Republic but I heard (few) stories of it happening the other way.
Personally, I was getting 1K valor a minute (at least) and was at the steps no more than 15-30 mins... just do the math.
I unsubbed before 1.1 anyway and just went out their yesterday just check out the madness when the servers came up. It was actually kind of fun till everyone on the Empire side
showed up.
No troll, just the truth, take it how you want to though.
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What Exploit?
in PvP
Yes there was.
Empire was gaining an amazing amount of valor yesterday by farming Repuplic at their base on their steps.
Bioware has stated this was an "exploit" after it happening for about 5 hours, did nothing but disable taxi service and kept the servers up. I fail to see how killing players in a broken PvP zone is exploiting more like testing a broken patch but thanks for labeling all Empire players "exploiters".
So yea, it happened. No it isn't a troll and I unsubbed long before 1.1 anyway.
I play Empire btw and won't support a broken system where our side gets a crazy valor/gear advantage.
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An open door does not have to be walked through just because someone left it open.
It was exploiting, clearly not an intended way to rank up valor. If your guildies participated in this, they are exploiters, 100%. No excuses.
Poor game design is not an excuse for taking advantage of the situation. Because everyone else is doing it is not an excuse for taking advantage of the situation. It is no different than duping credits, or pulling mods out of items you are not supposed to.
You and I feel differently than.
Being a game tester, this should have been delayed till the could max tester 200 vs 100 or similar numbers on the PTR but we the players who WANTED to (myself and "exploiting" guildes included) couldn't copy our 50's our roll 50 toons with Champion/BM gear to test this crap.
I doubt Bioware has the number internally to pull that off anyway so this patch could very well have been theorycrafted in.
I don't take broken content that people will be PAYING for soon lightly and have voted with my wallet. I certainly don't condone calling any Empire players today exploiters and can't wait to see where this game goes...good or bad.
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Just out of curiosity, don't take that as an attack, it certainly not is, neither do I know what you did last night, nor I pretend to.
But were you among the bazillon people AOEing the med center or jumping on republic in their base ? If yes, then you might consider that this was very obviously not an intended feature of the game, and calling you exploiter if you camped those place might not be too far off, especially considering if you got ungodly amount of valor gain.
Not saying that it is what you did, just that you might consider why it was told.
That said, if you were not there, it was a fully unwarranted accusation to do.
Nope I worked as a game tester before.
I went to the zone saw how broke it was and left. Being a game tester for three years I can see broken content, not that it takes being a game tester to see how bad today was going to be.
That still doesn't make the fact my guild members didn't any better. It certainly doesn't make calling them exploiters for being in a PvP zone and killing members of the other faction a smart move by Bioware either.
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"The time for patience and nice words is over."
Agreed. I managed to unsub just in time to not get charged on the 19th:).
Bioware made all Empire players look like exploiters.
I've been called one all night.
I was playing the games broken content.
A company that brands me an exploiter...or anyone else who were killing people in a PvP zone over and over on a system they knew would be broken because of faction imbalance won't get my money.
From my guild numbers I'm sure a lot of serious PvP'rs feel the same.
I play Empire by the way.
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I agree most were not "exploiting", but the dev post does state they are aware of some individuals who abused the system and will take action. I doubt they lose their valor, but will get a temp ban.
I also agree that playing the game is not exploiting. An exploit would be the speed hack in WZs. The real problem is faction imbalance. They need to solve it pronto.
I agree.
Worst part of this it is Bioware make us Empire players look like a bunch of evil exploiters when we were just exploring broken PvP content. People traded points before 1.1 and nobody got banned for NOT fighting in a PvP zone. Yet you want to ban me and others for testing Biowares content and getting "free loot".
I'm sorry about today...but banning me and players like me for testing content is irrational at best.
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They would never just massively rollback game progress. All they need to do, and have stated they will do, is either recapture valor from or temporarily ban players who excessively exploited the opposing faction.
Dave:
This won't happen. It was never stated. If you don't like that I'm sorry and agree it sucks. Never been a rollback in beta, and the people who were banned for credit duping (not as many as actually pulled it off trust me) got a 7 day "warning" and to keep the credits.
If the won't punish "fair exploiting" from players on both sides...They won't punish us Empire players because we already outnumber you so bad anyway.
PS:We also weren't exploiting. I know we are bad guys in game but not IRL. We were testing broken Bioware content. Most players didn't check the forums who played Empire and general chat isn't a way to inform players of a broken system....server messages are.
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Now we're earning 120 valor every 3 seconds for hours and hours on end... the only people cancelling are the ones dumb enough to believe this crap, good riddance.
As someone who plays Empire and personally watched as the screen filled up with valor amounts similar to this poster I must be dumb enough to believe the truth.
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I'm really tired.
IRL and of this patch/game.
You can read my thoughts throughout the forum and mostly this thread.
I'll just say that my guild that has 20+ people on at all times was at 2-5 pretty much all day...
Most of those are 50 and we actually play Empire and didn't even want to farm Republic. We rolled on a PvP server, not an RP one.
PS: Empire players are just as mad about you Republic players getting farmed. At least the decent PvP'rs that want a balanced game and not one side having a huge valor/gear advantage are.
Huttball is fun, but not anywhere close to THAT fun.
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Read the whole thread. Yes, I'm aware it is 170+ pages long. Several forum threads have been linked throught the thread stating otherwise. I'm not talking out of my ***. Just read the thread.
The idea behind the patch wouldnt be wrong if it was aimed towards servers with equal population, but since the majority of servers are 65+% Imperials, it failed hard. I am not blaming the players for testing, the players tested and screamed at BW that this was going to suck, and guess what, it did.
I'm blaming the players that knowingly (because c'mon, if you see something giving too much of a reward for little effort, you know it's going to be nerfed, sooner or later) abused the broken system to gain a lot of valor. I'm blaming the reps that after reading the forums decided to go "check it out" and got stuck in the eternal lightning storm at their bases.
Sure, there might be some players (hell, it might be the majority) that didnt read the forums the first time they logged in and traveled to Illum. But do you honestly think people in the General Chat werent discussing the topic? And that said players didnt check the forums to know what the hell was going on on /1 chat? Don't be deillusional please.
People KNOWINGLY abused the flawed system, and should be punished in some way. Wether being temp bans with rollback on their valor prior to 1.1 patch or a flat out perma ban.
Guess what.
Hate the game, don't hate the players.
I've been here on this thread all day too man. I haven't logged into the game in days when I saw this trainwreck coming and posted in THESE forums about how 1.1 would break IIum if it wasn't instanced.
So yeah, you could say I've been here.
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Way too many people are flipping out about rollbacks and more than a few have posted multiple times about unsubbing. I can't speak for the test server side of things and if the issue was blatantly brought to their attention, but serverside is another matter.
"No rollbacks? Why should I grind to BM when some average Joe can do it in a few hours?"
Coupe of problems here. For starters what about those who didn't get valor from Ilum today or at least didn't exploit it? Not only would they have to have a script that could map people back to previous levels (time consuming in itself and no guarantee they can do it) but they have to ensure they don't hurt those who played fairly. This would take at least a week, if not more and testing to ensure they don't hurt the honest players, both for moral and legal reasons.
Secondly exploits happen all the time in games, it becomes a matter of addressing it quickly (which they did, this is not their first thread on the issue) and stopping it as efficiently and disruptively as possible. Only exploits that truly break a game warrant the responses that some of you appear to expect, keeping in mind just how much would be affected and the difficulty of persecuting only the guilty.
Lastly, to you Battlemasters out there, yes it sucks that something you worked hard for was achieved so easily by others. It felt like an accomplishment that not many could say they have achieved, and now it feels meaningless. But it is what it is. If McDonalds hired you for $7.50 and hour and a month later hired someone just like your for the same position at $8.25, you would probably be pissed and perhaps rightfully so. But you were willing to do the work for $7.50, he was not. You could have gone to your manager and complained for a raise just as you could have gone to Ilum and farmed to high heaven. Don't think your desire for some status symbol, your willingness to work harder for less, or your sheer bad luck justifies harming another. It sucks, but your going to have to just take it. You would have a better chance at getting some form of benefit to your accounts than attempting to harm those who may not have exploited (however to the obvious blatant exploiters with some form of proof the banhammer should come down)
You have this Battlemaster thing wrong. I'm sure Imp's aren't that upset or at least shouldn't be...
I'm sure these people are Republic mad that they will be facing a lot of people with access to gear they can't get yet.
These people should be upset.
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I'm sorry that people don't have a grasp of what common sense is. I really am.
Do you honestly think people didnt go "HOLY ****! THEY ARE GOING TO NERF THIS **** HARD BECAUSE IT IS BROKEN!" ?
It was obvious from miles away once the server started, hell, it was even posted on the test servers. People who abused the obvious flaw KNEW they were abusing something that wasn't meant to be done that way.
Sure, people can play dumb all day long. But deep down, they knew what they were doing was abusing the system, which to be fair, wasn't well thought out.
I play Empire.
You are flat lying about this issue being on the PTR period. You can't even copy a 50 to the server or /level to 50.
You are trying to blame players for beta testing a companies broken patch.
You do realize how this makes you look?
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I agree with most of what you said, but taking advantage of an obvios flaw in design is indeed exploiting the game.
I dont want a rollback because I knew the zone was messy as hell and stayed away from it. I still managed to advance from r47 to r51 today, but only by WZ spamming. I would rage hard if they rolled back the server just because some asses thought it would be fun to take advantage of the system.
Bioware should just take note of the Valor ranks gained vs time spent aquiring them. If someone was r51 and got to r59 in 3-4 hours, he obviously exploited. Hell, it doesnt even need to be that obvious, if someone went from r51-r53 in 1 hour he obviously exploited.
People who intentionally abused the flawed system should be banned or at the very least have their valor rank rolled back.
A massive roll back is just plain retarded.
How did this player exploit?
Bioware never posted this was an exploit for HOURS and even afterward, do you expect players getting insane valor to leave a zone, or logout to check the forums for the status?
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Cant you people read?????
They said they are aware of the people that camped to gain the valor...so obviously they will ban these people to fix the no rollback issue.
These players weren't aware they were exploiting. Can you explain why the turrets are OUTSIDE the kill zone?
Go ahead though ban all those Imps, that'll show em for beta testing a broken patch...!
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Bioware responding to a thread about how they broke their game?
Do you think they are Riot or something?
This company doesn't talk to the players or ask for advice, let alone post in constructive criticism threads.
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To all of you that are not going to resubb. Goodbye, get out. o back to WoW. It's pvp is -SO- much more practical, never one sided, and has never been exploited! *eyeroll*
Seriously, you don't mater. They lose a few hundred ticked off children, keep the die hard fans. We look passed this. Why? Because we love the game. We've seen the debacles of WoW, EQ and others in their opening months. So far ToR hasn't been even slightly half that terrible.
To Gabe. Rollbacks. S'all I'm saying. Fixing the issue is nice too, and glad to see you jumping on it, but the result this issue has caused, is just not right. It was basically an exploit. If those who used it dont like it, they can come repub side and see how it feels.
I dont think you'd reward the guy that took all your money by cheating at a game of Texas Hold 'Em would ya? If so, card night is on Mondays. bring ya wallets, bankbook and pink slips
No you'd blame the house for running a rigged game for hours...
Oh wait, Bioware did.
And all this "hardcores will stay" was said about Warhammer, AoC, Aion etc. etc...
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All you people calling for a rollback just stop and unsub. It won't happen. Hasn't happened in Beta (don't know why it would ever need to though) so I don't see it happening now.
People who glitched credits either:
A) Didn't get banned
B) Were banned seven days and allowed to keep all credits.
So even if these players who "exploited" (what a joke Bioware do you think 99% of Imps on a server testing your broken open world PvP are "exploiting") and they ban all these Imps.
A) Republic will finally get to play Huttball a majority of the time.
B) After seven days all these people (if they come back) still have the valor needed to open Battlemaster bags.
Remember which side has more players and you'll see a rollback won't happen.
Oh and I unsubbed when I saw 1.1 notes, couldn't copy a 50 to test changes and knew this would most likely happen.
Bioware threw a match on the smoldering fire that was server imbalance. I play Empire by the way :-)...
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Whats funny is, lets say (this is probably way bigger than what it is) 100,000 users are ACTIVE on the forums...that's barely 10% of subscribers.
And what percent of that care about the 'abuse' of Ilum today? Now what percent of those are 'cancelling'?
You really think you coming on here "QQ IM NOT PLAYING ANYMORE *takes ball and leaves*" is gonan do anything?
This is the hottest viewed thread so far today...at a whopping 132,000 views +/-
How many of those are people trolling the thread? Or coming back to it again and again?
You know where the rest are? Probably either
A) Living out a "Life"
B) Enjoying the game.
So stop acting like your gonna make them see the light. You are a drop in a bucket. Ripple all you want, not gonna make a whopping difference.
Well if it makes you feel better, let it all out. Plenty of tissues to go around.
They said the same thing about AoC, Aion, Warhmamer etc etc..
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A bit late to the party here. Can someone explain exactly what happened?
From how I understand it:
- Some people saying that turrets were giving valour, others deny it.
- Due to better constructed stories and universal mirror imbalances favouring Imperials, on most servers they outnumer Republic significantly.
- Imperials spawn camped Republic for hours in the zone with no way for them to escape/return to the normal game without essentially exploiting themselves.
- Imperials benefitted from this with extreme amount of valour.
- In the future this may well give Imperials an insurmountable gear advantage in PvP against Republic on many servers.
- A rollback is neither expected or essentially possible at this point.
Is that the basics?
If I cared about PvP whatsoever, I would be annoyed.
1.They were.
2. Yes, this was and is known by Bioware.
3.Yes, pretty much.
4. 100%.
5. At least for a while.
6. I've never heard of a rollback happening, even when asking beta players.
So yes, pretty nice summary and yes I am annoyed...
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Or a community wondering where the company was while people were hitting Battlemaster in a matter of hours. This wasn't even an issue just a potential one for a while, pretty arrogant if you ask me, but this community is the cesspool of venomous people with nothing to spew.
I could almost say the exact same thing about this cocky attitude Bioware took and has taken to this problem.
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Like when that RealID fiasco in WoW killed WoW? Oh, wait... it didn't.
Or, maybe you mean when that $300 monocle killed EVE? Oh wait... it didn't.
You must mean that going F2P thing that killed LOTRO or DDO? Nope, it didn't either. Sorry man, I'm lost.
What I see is a company that rolled out a patch, realized the patch was a but buggy on the PVP side, and wrote a hotfix to be rolled out within 24 hours. If that's not customer service, I don't know what is. It's already been handled, either you're satisfied or you're not. Either it's a first world problem that you quit over, or you don't. But, remember, your anger and dismay is not everyone's, it only belongs to you. And, you alone (or even you and 10-12 people) aren't going to kill an MMO, even if they royally screwed this one up, which didn't happen.
Bit buggy?
Or broke the valor system?
Lets be real here.
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The amount of over-reaction by entitled children and tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists in this thread is amazing. AMAZING!
Seriously, people, grow up. They had an issue, they have addressed it within 24 hours, and will take steps to punish serious offenders. Anyone that cancels an account over it, though, is plain silly.
For the people asking for rollbacks of anyone on Ilum during that time period - screw you. I was there most of today, having gotten 50 yesterday, and working through the story/dallies *not* in the contested zone, and having all of that reversed to punish some jackholes that were exploiting something I wasn't is crap, and is an offense *way* more deserving of a cancelled account.
Bottom line - grow up, companies and people make mistakes, Bioware has made some incredible games, and even with todays mistake, is deserving of way more patience and understanding than they are being given.
Gabe Amatangelo
Principal Lead PvP, Flashpoints and Operations Designer
This man ruined one MMO's PvP and arguably the game. I don't think I'll be giving a company money who employs this guy and his design decisions. I was willing to actually until 1.1 and the notes came out. Now when my guild has TWO people logged on and we are a PvP guild after a major content patch...
I think I'll vote with my wallet thanks!
Consequences for Farming Valor
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I killed Republic at their steps for about 30 mins yesterday.
I made 1K valor a minute (at least) left because I won't support a broken system where one side has a major valor/gear advantage in a PvP based game. Not that I can blame anyone for staying and taking advantage of Bioware's awful open world PvP system...blame Bioware.
I unsubbed before 1.1 anyway, I knew faction imbalance would cause this.
I won't EVER resub because Bioware has stated that all Empire who "camped" you Republic players yesterday were "exploiting"...
Killing players in a PvP zone, while Bioware released a broken patch has turned all Empire players who were on IIlum yesterday into exploiters.
FYI: We just wanted to see the same new content as everyone else. Most people AREN'T going to check the forums and it is the DEVELOPERS job to ensure content works, not the players.