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Your mistake is thinking they "lost" them all.
And it wasn't 2+m, anyway. It was 800k. Tor has never had 2+m subs. Try again.
1. Yes they lost them, and with rushed out bad free trial to 50 they pretty much sealed the deal
2. that chart is wrong in 99% of cases (again you have to read actual methodology and how they put data on), it isnt even updated to last official "interval" for SWTOR, let alone for "we dont want to discuss subs any more" phase
3. they sold 2,5+ million boxes, nobody said anything about subs, but there goes your shallow reading and comprehending again
You are quite poor at this and im not going to tutor you on it
Ill just give you a tidbit:
If they kept 2m people paying sub, they would need 10m active people in F2P to get same amount of money.
It doesnt sound very well now, does it?
Good old fashioned sub is still best way if you have a product that can actually keep people playing. And now you say that getting 5 times more people to actively play your game is easier and better? Nuh-uh lol
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Precisely. Which has historically proven to be 1.5 times greater than a sub-based game or more. Thus, my point stands. I regret missing the word "paying" in my post, but it's clearly and contextually obvious.
So, you agree that your subscription drop statement was pointless?
Obviously, then, you have no idea what I'm saying. Sub numbers. Don't. Matter. BW is now making more money. It wasn't a "reaction", it was planned.
To think otherwise is incredibly naive.
Sorry bro, but what youre saying is utter nonsense and you havent comprehended what article says and how it relates to SWTOR.
Im pretty sure they didnt plan to lose 2+m people within 6 month sub cycle rofl, and if they didnt lose those there wouldnt be F2P and we would have free content patch 1,5 with makeb, OP and FP for 1 year anniversary.
Believing that rushed out F2P was planned, that glacierware content updates were planned though is naive.
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I have a P.S. here, and I'm hoping it helps you to see what's actually going on, and to stop misinterpreting the data before you:
What the fanbois (and haters) don't get. Watch it several times. You should see, after wtching this video, how spot-on BW's strategy and timing was this past year.
You're still under the 8-year-old WoW mentality that one MMO is the end-all be-all. That isn't the case anymore, and BioWare understands this. Lost 2 million subs? LOL!! Do you even realize that the model they went to at the perfect time makes MORE money than subs do?
On the average, F2P games make $28 per player, probably more now. That's almost twice the cost of a sub.
Sub numbers just don't matter anymore. And if you want some credibility, you'll stop talking like it does.
1. I dont really get what you wanted to prove with Taugrim, because thats EXACTLY what im saying because EA PR and fanbois blame players for SWTOR tanking
2. Your link and interpretation of the article shows that you dont read and comprehend, but just skim over and see what you want to see (ive noticed this problem in majority of people, id like to tell you what i do for living, but lets just say it involves EXACTLY that type of thing)
Their F2P wasnt because they were too successful lol
It was because they were drowning and needed a way out.
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"Hangers-on of verbology", indeed. Some people take words as gospel. Not sure why, since every developer to date has said things they shouldn't have, and due to human imperfection, it'll never end no matter how much crap you give them. I'm of the opinion that it is an unwise thing to do, and you're the perfect case-in-point.
As soon as they said what they did at E3, I thought, "Oooh, they're going to regret saying that, due to the amount of people who can't seem to understand that the statement was tentative." BioWare has *never* stated anything that wasn't covered under the caveat "subject to change".
Ever.
Some people allow that fixation to cloud over the fact that it will still be the best expansion for less money than almost every other expansion ever released.
And that's your prerogative. If you enjoy feeling that way, have at it, don't let reality stop you.
I, however, am now going to go play the best MMO out called SWTOR. Have a great evening!
By TOS they owe you NOTHING. They provide service "as is". And thats not the point.
And "best expansion for less money" sounds like commercial for cheapo detergent lol. Just like this content pat....mmm "expansion" rofl
Try harder
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And you sound like a bloody broken record, repeatedly whining about the fact that someone dared to ask you to pay a little bit of money for a huge content update.
If you somehow feel that you are entitled to get an expansion for free you are very much wrong.
Good luck in finding a AAA MMORPG game which offers these things free of charge, you'll need it because such a game and a charitable company behind it doesn't exist.
I dont have to find anything, i already have it. More than 1, thank you.
That $9.99 also included 90 days of sub time and 2 more character slots., who wouldn't vote for $45 in sub time for $9.99?Yup, i just reckoned the author of the post chose somethign else. That survey is well known...well...at least to those who followed the game
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Do you seriously think this change of marketing wasn't planned from the beginning? I mean no insults, but really, you're not that naive, are you?Ahh, you have an 8-ball that says one zone is all we're getting?
No, i think it was cooked up when 2+ million left the game.
No, i think it was cooked up when they saw they screwed up and are still in the red and numbers were still dropping, along with F2P.
Makeb was supposed to be content patch no. 1,5 along with new OP and FP and released before end of 2012 (1 year anniversary i would say)
Yes, information rules the world.
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I'm not denying (read my post again, slower this time) that they said things they shouldn't have. What I'm saying is that there is also plenty of evidence that shows that an "expansion" was precisely on their minds, for the sole reason that Makeb and everything might turn out to be bigger than they planned.
And it has.
Ooooh, insults, yeah, that is great.
So, in your opinion, when you think of expansion, you specifically call it NON EXPANSION.
ahahahahahahahhaahha, try harder
And no, theres absolutely no mention of expansion until it popped out for pre-order.
And what about the subscribers that are buying despite all the hangers-on to verbology?There wasnt enough subscribers to keep the game afloat, even less will buy this content update.
So yah, its a bulls eye
But i guess those few that went to E3 and chose 9,99 will be happy, amiright?
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It was always going to be an expansion. The mistake they made was saying it was "probably going to be free" at E3. However, the people that point that out usually leave out the fact that a form was filled out at E3 asking players what they would be willing to pay for such an expansion.
Guess what? The majority (who were subscribers) actually chose $9.99. Guess what they went with for subscribers? If you want to point fingers and blame anyone, don't point them at BioWare...
So, what part of them saying NON EXPANSION CONTENT UPDATE you didnt understand rofl
Too bad we have video evidence these days and dont have to rely on hear-say
And can you tell us how many subscribers went to E3, just to get the picture?
And how do you know that majority choose 9,99 eh?
And why would they base that on some miniscule number on E3 when they have means for much detailed and accurate metrics?
And what about those 2+ million that left?
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Silly me, trying to bring logic and facts into the discussion. Maybe if I use more rofls and looooooooooooooooooooong words you'd understand my posts better. Oh, and I should EMPHASIZE words just so you know I'm making a serious point. Anyway, it's clear you have no clue what you're talking about so I'll just leave it at that.
Yes, you do that please so we can have a discussion without "but but but prove it to me...again" on every second page rofl.
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Sure, if you don't feel you can provide a definition can you at least link the posts where someone else explains the clear delineation between what constitutes an "expansion" and what constitutes a "content patch"? Since it's been explained so many times you shouldn't have any trouble finding that.
Do it yourself rofl.
Because few posts after i do it, youll ask same question again...like you did gazzilion times before rofl.
Your tactic is NOT working lol
If you didnt get it by now....sorry bro
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In other words, you can't answer my questions. Figures.
In other words your post was answered soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times by now that its pointless to explain ti to you....again.
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Just because metrics are through the roof doesn't mean they are hitting their (obviously adjusted) projections and EA's ROR.
Well, maybe they are and they just want to test if they can yank another 10$ on top of your sub.
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This is a game that is arguably struggling to stay afloat. If you care about the game, then you HAVE to be sensitive to the fact that as financial situations change, promises have to be broken. Why do you assume that it is done with malice and disregard? I'm sure BW would much rather release Makeb free of charge, but now understand that they can't.
I dont know, just recently they bragged about how "every possible metric is up through the roof". Doesnt really sound like struggle to me.
And second: its their screw up. Before they start yelling "PAY MOAR" they should clean up their own mess, otheriwise people dont see a point to feeding them more and more money for less and less.
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yeah there is. 100000000000000000000 km, lol idk but there is lol
But but but, its a STEP, its the SAME.
Guess you figured that one out now
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If you care about the game, then support it by paying. People who are on here clamoring about broken promises and principle are not the ones I want leading the charge to make this game succeed.
Those same people have been supporting tha game for past year. Those same people put their good faith. When company throws that out of the window, so does all those customers. And that is not particularly well for any business, especially one in situation like SWTOR.
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????? When a company usually picks a price point they stick with it for a while or until they change the model. Listening to your customers is usually part of running a business but so is picking a price model. What planet are you on? This is not a difficult concept.
What model? F2P has nothing to do with it.
And their customers can actually convey to them that making asinine moves is not very good for their health. Its all in good faith.
They try to make the game better for all, even you, you just havent figured that one out yet.
And you are effectively disrupting that.
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I just can't fathom how people get so upset over a video game. People act as if BW/EA killed their dog. get over it?
Well, maybe people care about the game and dont want to see it tumble because idiotic stuff like this?
*shrug*
People also have past experiences with EA and certain people now in charge of SWTOR and see certain similarities.
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5 dolars and 10, there is not a big different
Step on Earth and step on teh Moon.
Not much difference
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Its a video game. Why are we talking principle? You don't deserve anything.
Well, you sound just like EA talkinng to their SWTOR customers
They should hire you
Gratz?
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Dude that wasn't leaked subscribers knew that was going to be in it a long time ago... just because you F2p'ers are late to the party and just catching up doesn't mean it was leaked...
It was leaked pretty much at launch. Being a subscriber has nothing to do with it.
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ummm it was never leaked it was annouced sooooo since you like to refer to anyone that doesn't agree with you as a ''Hater'' maybe you should take your head out of the ''Fanboi'' cloud and do some research before you comment next time... lol leaked...
No, what was supposed to be in Makeb update was leaked, so we know exactly what they temselves called non expansion content update (that was of course free to subscribers)
Makeb
Level cap raise
OP
FP
and we also know that it was in production before the game launched and that it was supposed to be here before end of 2012.
What we also know is that its 4-6 months late, that it was renamed to expansion to justify price tag (and for shady marketing purpose) and what they announced so far isnt even what was supposed to be in non expansion content update.
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"...the game will live on" lol
So if 10 bucks isn't a big deal can I sell you a piece of paper and say 'Just wait and see the artwork is the best ever!!" ?
Why wouldn't you buy it? It's only 10 bucks? And you can take my word for it that the artwork WILL appear don't you worry. If in a few months I say "lol nah no artwork on the paper" you shouldn't get upset k? Cause according to your logic you haven't felt lied to by me.
Or how about you pay for my expansion while I pay for another game. Since of course you don't mind handing Bioware money with no knowledge of what you're getting why stop at only one expansion purchase? Make it two, three heck twenty! Then I can take my ten bucks and wisely use it where I see value for it.
Hey, count me in on free expansion, heck, its only 10 bucks
They could throw in few months sub too. Its only measly 15/month, i spent that much on handful of pretzels yesterday
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I wish bioware would address their community. I was really looking forward to makeb before the end of the year, we really got shafted on this one. The whole free to play transition took away time from content that would probably be out otherwise. Not only has this free to play transition been terrible on content patches (aka giving us little patches vs makeb, space, warzone, cathar all in one) but the customer server level has plumited. Getting replys from MO-TO is getting so annoying. Claims of people waiting on the phone for 8 hours is unaccaptable.
Thats what happens when you "wait and see" (which is fanbois favorite line). Along with "its best game evah go away".
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Yes, I'm quite aware of what the word means. Are you? Perhaps you'd like to define what separates a content update from an expansion? Because it seems to me that this has all the hallmarks of an expansion, new zones, level increase, new skills etc. It's also atypical of any content update we've had in the first year. No content update has provided any of the things they seem to be offering with Makeb. Yet people are calling it a content update seemingly simply because it referred as that in one interview during the summer.
So please provide your definition of what defines a content update and what defines an expansion.
As for my MMO experience (not that it matters) I've played Ultima Online, SWG, WoW, EQ2, Vanguard, Aion, Age of Conan, LOTRO, DDO, Guild War 1 & 2, Star Trek Online, The Secret World, TERA and SWTOR. I've purchased content packs and expansions in a number of those.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
did you buy the expansion? are you gonna buy it? do you want to wait?or never buy it?
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Eh? Thats what your own article says, which you would know if you actually read what it says.
Reasons for F2P:
1. game was falling and falling fast, below 500k needed subs
2. its good marketing
3. it lets your current subscribers spend more money (what was their primary goal, dont you adore how they sweet talk "value of sub"
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Now, they said they need 500k subs long term to break even. With all the layoffs and stuff, lets say that they now need 400k.
They dropped below that. And what do you do? Masterplan!
We will need only 200k if they all pay 30$!
So yah, consider yourself warned