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  1. I forgot to add that, the actors are HUMAN. And are limited in what they can do or portray to do. I love to watch the cut scenes and style of Star Wars the Force Unleashed 1 and 2 and i recommend U all to watch the videos and trailers and gameplay vids stuff
  2. After reading 5 pages worth of responses, its time for me to chip in. There will never be a actual solution to this thing IMO. It has a lot to do with personal style and preference. PERSONALLY, I prefer the episode 3 fight scenes. Trained swordsmen might consider obi wan vs anakin POS scenes but I found it highly entertaining. I type this whole post while watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSwy412nttI There are several different factors for the difference in fight scenes between the old movies and the new ones. 1) As stated in a couple of responses, Cinematography was probably a limiting factor. 2) Bob Anderson was shorter than darth vader and therefore could not do the complicated choreographed fight scenes of the new movies. 3) George Lucas changed his focus of the medieval style swordplay to the fast moving agile asian styles 4) Popularity All have been discussed throughly, so I'll just talk about number 3. No one gets it right the first time they do anything. If you start a business for the first time, you might have a good idea, theories and what to do in different situations but once you start a business for the 10th or 20th time, you start to get a hang of it and refine your techniques. Same way here, george lucas probably looked at those fight scenes and while they were good, probably thought that "hmm jedi should be a lot more agile than that" Now there are several differing points of views here. Firstly, no one knows how a jedi fights. We cant see it in real life, all we have is lores, books and movies. Note that when the movies came out, the lore was only fully fleshed out by writers, fans, community. Jedi's are trained in the force from a young age to be the peace keepers of the galaxy. Trained in the force as well as swordsmanship, by the time they reach Anakin or Obiwan's age, one can say they are pretty proficient in both. We must also take note not to compare the fightscenes in its entirety to modern sword fighting styles and cannot compare it exactly as it is in the movies as we all know that star wars i not Real or we would be force pushing everyone all over. (Another arguement here is Chi or qi gong as the chinese monks but lets not get into that) The Jedi's or sith fight with the force, allowing them to move at inhuman speeds as well as allowing them to predict future incoming blows and deflect them away or to help them anticipate the incoming aspects. The closest thing we have in real life is firstly experience and intuition. It is always said that sword masters can predict what you are going to do based on the twitch of the eye, the tensing of muscles and just plain intuition. But jedi's are different in a way that they use the force in a active conscious way, allowing it to direct their movements. Combat skill is one thing but the force is another. Without the force, one would just be a bandit brandishing a razor sharp blade. You might be good, but you will never be as good as the jedi. [go quote some yoda saying from wookiepedia, i forgot what it is] Another thing is, their blades are weightless except for the hilt. We dont have anything in real life where the blades are weightless so we cant really compare. Japanese samuarais? Maybe. but then again their blades were heavy. After looking at this fact, wouldn't you agree that if you had something razor sharp that would cut a person in half in whatever fighting techniques you use, dont you think a faster style would be better? with a lightsaber, you could just slide it gently across a hunk of metal and it would cut. You cant do that with a broad sword or a katana. You need power. That most likely constituted to the change in styles. IMO this is why all light saber styles are fast hitting. Some might be faster and more ferocious e.g. the Jar kai, or hard hitting styles like the one Darth Malgus uses. This leads to variations in styles. [MOVIE SECTION] Now on to all the rotorblading and twisting and turning, for me I am able to convince myself as quite believable fighting scenes which is entirely my opinion and please dont flame me or anything. Ok, lets talk about the spinning around and exposing you backs. Have you guys heard of Aikido? Its an japanese hand to hand or hand to blade martial technique that uses your opponents force to incapacitate them. This generally requires a lot of spinning and movement around the opponent. Think of the Ying and Yang or the Wu Shu "dragon style? I cant recall, the one where you are mostly circling around on the spot". I feel that Episode 3 was the most exciting and least stupid fighting choreographed scenes from the episodes 1, 2 and 3. So i shall reference Obiwan vs Anakin. They spin, so that they can redirect the force from their previous attack into the next giving them more powerful blows. (Witcher 1 anyone?) You cant compare this with normal sword fighting because their movements are enhanced through the force. The worst agile jedi is still better or comparable to a world's best agile force insensitive person. The spinning also helps keep their balance while moving at that speed and power. Its like dancing, you hold your partner's hand (in this case locking the lightsaber, preventing it from sliding towards you) with your hand over your partner's hand, she spins around and continues another routine ( obi wan spins while locking anakin's saber lock so that he can use the momentum while spinning to push his blade away while at the same time moving to gain reach and distance so that he can engage again looking for a chance of an opening. I also find it unfair to excuse them of exposing their backs, as they turn, they move the blade to their backs as well to defend and attack as well. Refer to 0:49 - 0:51 It is through the force that they predict and counter predict each other's movements. Everytime they do that, it gets faster and faster and faster. Its just like in real life. You predict his motion and you move in to counter that but he anticipates it and counters you but you anticipate that counter and counter the counter! It just gets faster and faster and it spins out of control till they end up in a saber lock. Let me give you an analogy. When you are typing on your keyboard copying lecture, sometimes you feel in the zone? and your typing speeds increases rapidly, and you feel happy but suddenly your brain cant keep up with the speed that you are typing at and you falter? I like to relate this to when Jedi's are fighting. It gets so fast to a point where its harder to predict your opponent's attack. I watched the video at 1:40 of anakin vs Obi wan and i LOLED. I use the statements that i made just above to explain it. Though i must say it looked kinda hilarious and they should have probably left it out. TL;DR, I cant make my post concise. you have to read it all to understand the point im trying to push across. I took some points of all the posts made, compiled in (in a general way) took up other points that previous posters did not elaborate in at put it here. So there you have it, my opinion with analogy and references so that you guys can follow my train of thought. I dont think the fight scene was perfect, but i quite like how it portrayed the speed, agility and ferocity of the sith style vs the defensive soresu style ( obi wan )
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