I <3 you tooooooo. And I miiight miss you just a little, also. But it's okay, you'll survive just like Gloria Gaynor did.

I've been part of Panda since January 9th of this year, and it fulfills a lot of the wants I look for in a guild. It's been my guild home, and I love the community we have, and from subbing to being part of a raid group to simply just hanging out with guildies, there's been no shortage of things to do. I'd recommend Panda to anyone who's looking for a new home - this guild's been great for me, and it might be what you're looking for, too! Congrats to all of the raid teams for their recent raid progression!

Not sure what server firsts really have to do with what thezaitsev has said though, or why you're being petty about them. :/

If someone who is currently a member from X-Raided states that progression should be removed from their guild says something then I would find that more credible. Members from another guild suggesting that X-Raided should have their progression removed/changed is another issue entirely. It has been a long-standing comment that whenever a new guild is created, no matter what the progression of the guild's members was prior to creating the guild, the guild still must achieve progression as a group wearing the tags for the new guild in order to be marked for progression; Nox has stated this previously. It has also been stated that once progression has been achieved for a guild, the guild will keep that progression noted regardless of member losses. It's X-Raided's place to say if they want the progression marked for their guild or not, not yours or anyone else in your guild.

Calm down.

Actually... I'd say your guild is only 1/7 for Styrak, considering you know - that as a guild - you're only able to provide proof of downing Styrak and even then, there isn't anything to suggest that it was downed with a group entirely comprised of members from your guild. Some guilds have gone out of their way to include screenshots of boss kills while including the names of all of the participants, while showing guild tags/whatnot. Here, you intend to make a mockery of this thread by just insisting on showing the achievement for the kill from two group members, one of which insisting that progression ought to be removed from another guild simply because the members that were part of that group are now in another guild. How childish could you guys be? I want to point out that Nox, the person who updates this thread on a regular basis, has gone out of their way to provide a way for players to see how they might match up against other guilds in terms of progression. Over the past few months I've checked this thread, I've seen guild after guild posting comments that are not limited to: Picking on other guilds for having group members shown without the guild tags - making fun of other guilds for not progressing fast enough - questioning the validity of kill times - and that isn't even all of it. No one has to track these kills. It's a service to the server, a benefit, and never an obligation. Instead, people choose to bring drama by saying that this or that guild shouldn't get progression, but only a moment before insist that they should have progression because they're showing achievements from two group members. I know the game's rated PG13, and acknowledge that there are teenagers playing this game. But even then, I'd expect more server unity and maturity from our server than what's being shown here. No matter how bitter you may feel about your prior guild, that's certainly no reasonable excuse or pass for why you should behave the way you're behaving now.

<Mark It Zero> (Republic) has downed The Writhing Horror, The Dread Guard, Operator IX, and Kephess the Undying in HM TFB (8man) I forgot screenshots for the first two, but lockouts that should cover all four: http://i.imgur.com/0P4ApzX.jpg Operator IX: http://i.imgur.com/P0YbO3c.jpg Kephess the Undying: http://i.imgur.com/itmeWvl.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) has accomplished 4/5 for HM TFB (16 man): The Writhing Horror The Dread Guard Operator IX Kephess the Undying As a general note - Garthim is Saih's bank alt, which is a member of The Revenant. Flamefist is Phaser's PvP alt - Phaser is still part of The Revenant and we do consider his alt as part of The Revenant, but acknowledge that he's in ID for other reasons; either characters are not pugs. If this needs to be confirmed, either player can be asked.

<Mark It Zero> (Republic) has downed story EC (we only wiped four times!): http://i45.tinypic.com/211t4kz.jpg And story TFB (only one wipe!): http://i48.tinypic.com/vowv3s.jpg This is why we shouldn't play republic side. Also, thanks Nox for running this thread, we all appreciate it.

Garthim is an alt of Saih's - who's main character, Saih, is in The Revenant. Saih uses this as a method to mark which guild Saih is aligned with, which has been acceptable for us. Dark Crystal is a guild only for his characters and no one else's, and utilizes guild storage for "legacy" storage. Considering this, all of his alt characters within Dark Crystal are considered part of the guild - for progression raiding, we do not mark progression with characters of members we do not consider as being part of the guild. This was a full guild run. If you need this verified, you're welcome to contact any member of The Revenant within the game or anyone else who might be aware of the situation.

<The Revenant> (Empire) Downed Kephess in Nightmare EC (8 man) at 1:05am Dec. 28th 2012: http://i47.tinypic.com/2nasmee.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) downed Dreadtooth at 4 stacks on Nov. 25th, 2012. http://i45.tinypic.com/104nmrp.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) Downed CV in NiM EC (8man) on Wednesday, Dec. 5th: http://i46.tinypic.com/20h0k1c.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) downed Stormcaller and Firebrand for NiM EC (8 man) at 11:41pm server time December 3rd. We were running late, so decided to not attempt CV. http://i45.tinypic.com/21ae2ih.jpg

I'm not in CST - nor was I the one boasting. When asked in general chat last night, I did mention that. I was posting on behalf of a guildmate who is (for some reason) unable to post in the forums, and am actually part of a different raid group within the same guild. You'll note that none of the characters I have listed in my signature are part of the group in the screenshot. I don't even know what was said in /1 in Asation last night so I can't agree/disagree with what was said, but I will assume in this instance that there truly are two sides to every story. Actually, I was trying to say it really didn't matter at all - not asking anyone to stop "picking on us". We weren't server first, and 8 man is still a different category from 16 man - which SDU was. Ultimately, the kill times aren't posted in the topic post, just the date of the kill - so it really doesn't matter what time Z&T were killed. I'm not sure why you're arguing the point so strongly or are trying to make such a big deal out of something that does not affect your guild, or really why you felt the need to curse at us. We're all part of the same server, same community, we should try to get along rather than be at odds with each other. But to stay on topic: <The Revenant> (empire) downed Dreadtooth (1 stack) today at 11:00pm server time. Waited for him to respawn, and got him again. http://i48.tinypic.com/1pgx2t.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) downed Toth and Zorn (8 man nightmare) at 9:01pm server time. http://i45.tinypic.com/8yt8g2.jpg And just because: http://i47.tinypic.com/wjt7yv.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) downed 16man SM TFB on November 1st (we were lazy so we took our time getting to it!): Writhing Horror: http://i48.tinypic.com/35k1zky.jpg The Dread Guard: http://i46.tinypic.com/23wodqa.png Operator IX: http://i47.tinypic.com/epksvd.jpg Kephess: http://i49.tinypic.com/fctjr8.png Terror: http://i47.tinypic.com/bey9s2.png

<The Revenant> (Empire) downed Terror From Beyond (8man hard mode) on Monday, October 29th: http://i45.tinypic.com/nwcufl.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) downed Kephess The Undying in HM Terror From Beyond (8man) on Monday, October 15th 2012. http://i47.tinypic.com/k9yrcy.jpg

<The Revenant> (Empire) Successfully downed 8man HM Operator on Wednesday, October 10th at 10:51pm server time (or EST). Screenshot showing the group: http://i49.tinypic.com/k2l74g.jpg Screenshot showing lockouts: http://i47.tinypic.com/zwn51c.jpg

<The Revenant> Has cleared the Dread Guard for Hard mode Terror From Beyond for 8man (Empire). We cleared this yesterday (10/1): http://i47.tinypic.com/npj77p.jpg

<Revenant> is now <The Revenant>, our guild was renamed just a bit ago. We successfully downed Writhing Horror in 8 man Terror From Beyond hard mode at 12:30am EST Sept. 27th: http://i50.tinypic.com/25pjvh0.jpg

Sorry about that, we didn't realize when we did it. We don't have a screenshot for the last boss defeat, but we do have a screenshot of one of us wearing the title from turning in the mission: http://i47.tinypic.com/2iw7z9u.jpg And one of us going back in and showing lockouts: http://i50.tinypic.com/rh4lqx.jpg If that isn't acceptable, we'll try to remember to pick up the screenshot next time, sorry for the inconvenience.

As a general note, <Revenant> is now <Revenant @ The Shadowlands>, we're in the process of figuring out a new guild name. To be specific, we're empire side.

I checked the information I put in very carefully when I filled out the survey last (which was before the deadline), and still my character isn't copied over. I do think the system does need to be re-evaluated, because it does not seem to work as confidently as you might believe if so many of us still do not have characters copied over despite putting in the right information.