Can you please have components drop in all brackets. lowbie and mids are dead right now because they only drop in 70. What does it matter, they are legacy anyway.

I have a sniper at 300, and a merc and 300 but im only getting 25%. Whats the problem...they are not mirror classes

lol yeah, it just makes it so every other person who attacks the person knocked down does increased damage !!!! And, the shoot first/hidden strike will still do the same damage, that parts irrelevant. Its about what happens in that 2 seconds when the target is getting up.... both knockdown skills achieve the same purpose. And, since you brought up damage, I have yet to get a 10k backblast or shootfirst on my scrap, but I get them on my shadow a lot (even though its white damage...)

Since ops/scraps are getting screwed, when are the other knockdowns out of stealth leaving the game? They do the same thing.

is it better to use the 78 barrels in warzones, or use the new pvp one and let the bolster system bump it up?

I don't know about biowares data backing this info up, but my data backs it up... Last night the team I joined refused to get off the first node they managed to take as soon as they realized we were up against a 6 man premade...I argued but they said it wasn't worth the effort to go out and fight...they would be dead too much and get almost no medal/coms...I went out without them, got killed 6 times then came back and sat at the node.... tonight, pvp was going decent with wins and losses...then we hit a premade and the ques went form 5-10min wait to still waiting for over an hour....when I finally got a que, it was against the same premade and we got rolled...no ques for 2 hours after that so I logged... premades defiantly affect ques oh high and mighty PVP lord.

I had a vanguard, smuggler and sage all get out of it several times even before ravage would be finished...anybody else notice this?

So I actually read all the posts in the thread I created....The number one comment was if you need this relic was "if you need it, you suck" and I liked the one that stated "if you need this, don't hit the que button", or something like that. It must be great to be so good at pvp that you never get burst down...But, if your so great, why aren't all of you GREAT PVPers forming ranked teams and kicking arse? crickets are starting to chirp now...the ranked seem to still be empty even though there are millions of you elite pvpers out there, or atleast trolling this board... I liked the fact that pvp was slowed down...its been a pet peeve of mine since day one. We actually had a ald match come down to 10 to zero win. It was probably the most fun match I had ever been in. Outsides were capped and middle was contested the entire match with no caps... We won by sending 7 against the node they possed with a cap blocker left in the middle and no defender on ours...we won with 20 secs left...that's what fun pvp should be...not your dead in 3 seconds even after guard, taunt, and intercede because 7 people focused you and cc locked the rest of your team because the resolve bar is still broke (not touching that one though). And, for the millionth time, I do not claim to be a great pvper. I would rate myself as average, or a little better than average. For the don't hit the que button comment, where should us average players go so we don't que against you "GODLY PVPers"? They put in ranked matches for all of you god mode players, but your too big of sissies to que up for them so they sit empty...you would rather que as your premades and face roll the average players. Hell they took the time to apply skill/gear lvls to operations, they should be able to do it for pvp. I have asked hundereds of times for 2 simple things to improve pvp...then the relics probably wouldn't be needed... 1. cross server ques to space out the premades and face rolls 2. normal ques should be solo only...put the premades in the ranked and 4v4 where they belong...that way if I que for one of those, I have no reason to complain as its my choice. As it stands right now, the only thing I can do is choose to que or not, then soak up a faceroll and get pissed off or leave the match and piss off everybody...I'm sick of the facerolls from premades and I should have the right to choose to face them or not. The relics helped us average player survive a little in what is supposed to be fun. The only thing the relics did was slow down pvp, and since everybody could buy them it was still an even playing field. On a side note: I logged off last night after my team took one node and then refused to leave it just so they could get some medals. They said we had no chance of winning so whats the point...the loss would still finish the daily and they could get more medal and coms from guarding then if they were constantly dead. I got pretty mad, but I sat there because ques were slow. How is this fun? Something needs to change...So what does swtor do? they take away an even playing field again and its back to crappy burst....This is not the first time I have run into this so swtor had better take notice. This is what the premades and constant facerolls cause. Honostly, if I could get "AANNNYYYYYY" reward for open world pvp, I would never set foot in another one of these piece of crap meatgrinders that swtor calls warzones. There is no skill involved other than programming your macros which are supposed to be against the ELUA, and the teamwork consists of "get ready, im going to pull this player so burst them down with your illegal macros...after that, we will have numbers advantage because we got lucky and got off first. >>>>match over..... For all of the people who are saying ranked are dead so don't do it, the ranked is dead because premades are not forced to use them. Flame all you want. It doesn't change the fact that I might be right about some of this.

For the first time in this pathetic pvp, combat was slowed down and the 1 second burst actually went away allowing for more drawn out matchs...Since the relic went into action, the pvp has improved dramatically...especially if you don't run in premades. Please don't change this.

I like the new relic stuff...for the first time in pathetic pvp in swtor, the pvp was actually slowed down and it wasn't about the burst crap...People could survive and matchs become more drawn out...God forbid it actually takes longer than a second to be focused down!!!!!

I appreciate all of the constructive post and no flames....And, while I agree with most of what was said...I am a casual player that works odd hours...joining a pvp guild and having people on to group with is hard for me, ive tried. There should be a selection criteria that allows people "who do not want to face premades" to have somewhere to go...Honostly, I think that if they did this the premades would be very lonely as most would use the solo only. That in itself would demonstrate what the majority of players really want. Leave the premades in 4v4 and ranked. Heck, easy way to figure this out...put a poll on the log in screen and lets the player base really say what they would like.

1. cross server ques 2. no premade in solo ques...should only be allowed to que as a group for ranked...premades ruin the pvp for casual players.

ROFL sorry i dont have lots of extra time to look stuff up on my 1/2 hour lunch. I run it by my boss next time and let him know ill be needing more time off.

Repair costs are out of control again and need to be reduced back to old levels. Its really impacting raiding guilds. Not all of us have giant bank accounts from raid sells. We have actually had members leave raids now because they could not afford to repair. Since the patch, my highest bill has been over 100k for half (yes, half) of a raid night... This is stupid. If you want to suck money out of the game, make it fair across the board...not carried on the backs of a select few.

Is it written in the ULA that i must carry bad players??? Do you pay my sub??? If you are not answering yes to either of these questions, then i will quit as much as i want too...If people are constantly quiting in your matchs, maybe you should look in the mirror and LTP...I keep track of bad players names and leave as soon as i see them...Stop crying about people who choose to quit. I play to win, not for fun...If all did that, the game would actually become fun again. All lockouts for quiting need to go. I am so sick of the lockout on FPs...if i get one more 14k tank or 11k healer ill scream...again, where is it written that i or anybody for that matter must carry bad or under-geared players? If they put a lockout on PvP, i will probably quit...was will alot of others.

I do pvp a vanguard, and a powertek, and a commando, and a sawbones all at lvl 50 with min/maxed warhero. So what? sorcs eat me all the time...Sorcs eat me more than any other class. While smash monkey are a pain, you can deal with them if you know what to look for. And for them to attack me, they have to be in range of my stuns and damage so i can atleast fight back. I have never had a smash monkey stun me for 15 second straight, insta lift, stun, snare, root, push, and sprint away. Sorcs pound me from 30m and the only thing i can do harpoon if its up...Then, good sorcs just blow me away and root, then force sprint out. If i cant start the fight on my terms, i LoS and get away before i get melted. If i get inside on you and my cooldowns are up, im going to melt you with my vanguard...thats the way it should be...im a dps in heavy armor...but im restricted to 10m...good sorcs stay at 30 and devistate. In the lowbie bracket, i pvp a 21 slinger and an 18 sage. I own with the sage and i only use 3 skills (tel throw, projection, and force potency). i average about 200k damage...i have broke 350k a couple times when i got heals and i suck at my sage...other sages that i pvp with consitantly break 650k in the 50 bracket. There are very few other in the 50 bracket that can do those number other than voulash, or youshould. For you to ask for more is like a jug asking to have his force scream become an AE attack too. If you really want something to complain about and need to see what a busted class plays like, play and merc/commando.

If your going to add a lockout timer for people that quit, you had better split the pvp bracket up into people who what to have fun vs people who are there to win...im sick of carrying scrubs or carrying people who are just there to have fun and run around. I dont quit because i enjoying queueing over and over...i quit because my teammates cant do the simplest things, like call an incoming, or stun somebody running to stop a cap. I dont expect everybody to be steller at pvp, but the ability to type would be a good start . Knowing how to play your class, or how other classes work would be a good second. I like to do more things than just pvp...if im forced to play out every loss, i would never get anything done.

I think this may be the funniest thing i have ever read on the boards...Thankyou for the laugh.

Are your next updates going to address the sad state of affairs in pvp? like bubble poppers, smash monkies, premades ruining pug wzs, est? If not, you really dont understand what the pvp crowds are complaining about. Roll a lvl 50 toon and play a bit and you will see.

still needs to be fixed biojoke...going to happen soon? 6 bubble pop sorcs just beat the new mission doing this and nothing we could do about it...think they killed less than 20 the entire match...they just held both pylons and chain stunned all who got close to them...this bubble pop crap is a joke...guess it fits right in with BIOJOKE and their ability to fix anything in a timely manner..how long do we get to put up with this? you know, it is an exploit as im sure you never intended to give sorcs/sages even more castable cc. its not like there arnt hundreds of pages on suggestions on how to fix this if you only cared to read it...can you read? starting to wonder. if you cant figure it out, just move it to the debuff side so it cant be clicked off and gets broke by damage like it was intended to be.

This thread has been brought litterly hundereds of times. Sadly i doubt anything will change, EVER!!!!....One thing to remember; not all premades are created equal. If it is a known exploiter/hacker premade, i leave immediately. If it is a well organized pvp premade, i leave immediately. If it is a bunch of guys from the same guild that i have never heard of before, i usually stay. When i do leave, I feel bad for my teammates, but we all play to have fun. Losing 14 out of 15 matchs is not fun for me. One loss after another only frustrates you, and doesnt complete weekly pvp quest. I never complain about people leaving warzones, as i understand why they do it. I would actually rather see them leave early on a close game then sit on a node for defender points. If you really want to make a statement, simply quit queing...The boards will catch fire in here about the lack of pvp again...just like the used too Ask for cross server ques...more poeple in the pot will space out the steamrolls and let you que against more pugs.

If there no causual players left, there will be no pvp left...nobody ques ranked because its nothing but losses...enjoy every match being against the same guild your too skeerd to que again in ranked.

If you dont do something soon, you are going to lose most of causual pvpers. I have toughed this out since early release. Before you say who cares, the only people that will be left will be the steamrolling jugernaughts guilds...those same people are the reason the rest of the premades wont que in ranked (funny how that works isnt it). Guess farming people wearing recruit and battlemaster is easier. The only ques you will get will be super high end pvp guilds in normal ques as well, enjoy!!! The ques are getting longer and longer on the harbringer, your most populated server. This only goes to prove my point. When you do finally get a que, its usually against a premade elite WH guild. Poeple just stay on to get their 4 losses and then move on to something that is actually fun. Gone are the days when the normal player could log into pvp just to have some fun. Its painfull and quite frankly sucks arse. Half your teammates quit as soon as they see the premade on the other side...Not going to lie, i quit too...constant steamrolls get old quick. I finally managed to finish off my weekly yesterday...I got that weekly 3 weeks ago and i pvp atleast 4 matchs per day. You do the match. PvP didnt used to be like that in this game......The 7k smashes/dispatches, the stun lock/deaths, the resolve, all the CC, and the unbalanced pvp game play have crippled pvp to all but specific classes and guilds. I try to stay positive about this game, but the constant steamrolls, expoilts, and unbalance make it very difficult. I have seen time and time again the trolls posting that if you dont like your situation, join a pvp guild or make your own to complete. Well, i like pvp, but it doesnt consume my life like it does others. To get into the higher end pvp guilds, you have to be as dedicated as they are, live and breath pvp, show exceptional skill and sell a kidney for the best equipment possible. If you are all that, you too can be part of the 10 percenters that dominate 100pct of the pvp. The rest of us 50 percenters (30 percent dont pvp at all) just want a pvp system we can enjoy without having to move back into your parents basement. Think you can do anything to help us???????????????? If you cant fix this mess you have created, i only have one thing to say to you....how do i preorder elder scrolls online.

Well, not going to lie, play commando in pvp is a challenge. However, its my favorite class to pvp with. In full adjusted WH gear for max power, i run between 350k-550k depending on the other side makeup. Thats not super dps compared to some other classes, but look at it this way. The nerf bat will not be coming after your 8k smashes and dispatches. Eventually, we will get some love ). You will be a better player for it. The secret to playing this class is LoS, LoS, LoS !!!! If you stand in the open, you deserve to get owned. Cut corners, use wierd angles, jump and shoot over walls, est. Run assult spec, dot everything and their brother, tab target for squishies, then throw the sink at them...Then, move your *** private !!! Out of sight, out of mind...Hammer shots until you fingers bleed, the stronger crits with your dots running on a target add up. If your running and not hitting hammershots, rage quit and roll and new toon...Watch for you target to cure themselves...If they do, redot...If they are good at curses, find a new target and dont waste your time. I am sure all this has already been said, im just too lazy to read it !!