kill over time damage (bleeds ) and the spec will be fine (more or less ) . add the over time damage to main damage . the best skills of that spec have the biggest cool down so if you do that they will simple not unbalance the game. that spec is viable for pve cuz you have time to see your bleed works . but in pvp its not viable cuz you are dead . i am saying that since second game beta .. but none hear me . some people need to learn to play pvp ... use rotations . AND PLAY PVP WITH PVP ARMOR AND NOT PVE ARMOR ( i have see many times in warzone people with 0 expertise rating ... its only logical to die easy with that kind of armor.. or people saying about weak classes when they have the lower pvp armor and they are against people with elite war hero armors playing premade games and talking to ts3 .. ( it only natural to lose with these people they are organized , ask question for people that they know how to play, and get organized) .. well about the cheaters you cant do anything ! so i cant suggest you anything have a nice game people !

i was playing with vengeance for a long time and the problem wasn't on pve but on pvp because the over time dmg sucks and it takes to long to complete (at least for pvp).. so in other words while you pvp for an example on wz you will never live to see your over time damage actually kill or dmg your enemy .. not to mention that simple they can self heal or healer can heal them . the solutions to make it viable are simple . destroy the over time damage and include it on main damage (then you will see a major change on that "useless for pvp spec"(always at my opinion) and it will be again viable dps for pvp and for pve much more. thank you very much always these are my believes and i don't want to offend anyone. if you agree try also to tell it to bioware .. i have try many times without success.. maybe they will hear us when we are more

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/skills/juggernaut#0-10e0e2f-c2fde82e I don't know if anyone else have post something like that , but at my opinion i found it the most viable and easy to play with it . I was playing almost full vengeance for long time and my dmg was simple suck so after few try i end with that .. 7/10 war-zones i end up being 1st or 2nd in my group.(with some aggro.. and some smart gaming {if you are stupid you cant play anything!} and you can easy solo kill an enemy) i am not writing that to say how great gamer i am ! i am only writing to try it out and if you like it to make your gaming better ..(we are not all the same so what is good for me maybe it doesn't feet you) And Imo swtor is weak on pvp(and unbalance) game play but rocks on pve.. if you ask me why i am steel paying the game if i don't like pvp i will simple tell you cuz it is star wars thanks you and enjoy mates

well there are 100 % some batle grounds for pvp in pve servers ... i think that 3 batle grounds exist ... and i am not very sure but i think you can flag on pve server like the way you say. on pvp server they can kill you anytime they want ... but i think that on pve server you must flag first and then have pvp. i am not sure but i think i read it long ago ... any one else is sure about it pls write it