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  1. Wouldn't it be better to replace alacrity over surge? Just curious, since if I take out my surge enhancement it drops down to 68.60%.

     

    You didn't list alacrity in your post unless I'm misreading it? If you're strictly playing infil, then remove any/all alacrity and replace it with surge, maybe 1/2 pieces accuracy but its down to preference, 2pieces won't hurt your crit damage at all.

     

    You should probably keep them in the bank though, just in case you swap to hatred at some point the alacrity will come in useful.

  2. i'm curious to know how you optimized you gear to play that spec. The gear available seems to be made for serenity lots of alac, some accu, but I wouldnt think you'd need that much alac for infiltration =(

     

    23% crit, 2pieces accuracy, rest power/surge.

     

    Not exact, but as long as the crit is in 1-2% of that, the gear isn't an issue.

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    1. You can actually stack Demolish and Crushing Darkness on the same target if you stagger the procs. Situational but could come in handy for that extra burst

     

    2. You have the ability to heal to full via force cloak (Can be a game changer in ranked, thats why I include this tip). you can either FC and then run and heal, or some 'leet' people use FC then sap and then heal right in front of their face :D

     

    3. Stealing nodes is simple - sap the guard, start planting objective. If they break sap, use whirlwind and thats GG

     

    4. PT's can counter the above with shoulder cannon. One counter would be: plant phasewalk on objective> engage pt and lure him off node (out of SC range). Force Cloak out of combat and then SAP him. Use phasewalk back to objective and plant while looking like a bad *** :cool:

     

    5. USE DOT SPREAD

     

    #5 might seem like the most basic tip but it really is the most important. Basically what it comes down to is AIMING your death field effectively. You should almost never use double tap button for instant death field. Load up one person with dots > dont use death field directly on that target, use deathfield so the target is on the FRINGE of the blast, this will maximize the Death Field reach and really spread those dots.

     

    1. Only useful in a duel if you open with a sap, or an insta-ww when they have no dots on them(lolwtf?)

     

    2. Holy ****, really?!?!

     

    3/4, No. PTs, Mercs, Jugs, other sins, operatives, snipers and marauders all have a way to avoid your instant re-sap. Sorcs also have a second breaker. Each class needs a different tactic to sap, if they play it right.

     

    5. Dot spreading isnt the be-all and end-all of pvp, sometimes a dot can do more harm than good, your dot can easily ruin a lift thats being cast, or about to be cast on someone who it is more useful to keep out of the fight than it is to have two dots on. Only sometimes mind, but your "always do this" is bad advice.

  4. *** u talking about ? We dont accept everyone, we only have 140 members. We used to accept everyone, but we dont do that anymore. We had to clean the guild due to alot of rubbish players.

     

    You only have 140 members? there's maybe 20 on the server that could be considered "good"

  5. That's why i stay far away, let it settle for a week maybe or 2. no need to rush. I don't want my own repeat of 1 win 9 loss situation back at s1 on my marauder. horrible.

     

    I thought S1 was much better than this one, i only part-timed 2/3, but even with the skanks i didn't notice as horrible a general level of players as this time round, although its only been a few days. I'm talking PTs doing 8k dmg in 3 rounds, a madness sorc that wouldnt use lightening because its not a dot, etc.

  6. /facepalm

     

    Try and 1v1 a half decent player with Deception, then do it again with Hatred. Factor 2000 easymode on Hatred confirmed. Deception confirmed balls. Discussion over.

     

     

    You don't solo **** with Deception unless it's bad.

     

    You're wrong. Oh wait you said discussion over, damn, whatever next? its almost like the opinions of the people who play deception actually mean something? surely not, exi-man has told us why we are wrong by stating we are wrong. Silly me.

     

    Your opinion is just that, your opinion. Plenty of people are playing deception well enough to use, and they are doing well in 1v1s with it. Just because you prefer playing the cheesy ballfest that is hatred, doesn't mean that deception is useless.

  7. seriously? A deception sin? Wow, you definitely need to play concealment. I personally love it when a deception sin tries to come after me while I'm healing or when I node guarding. I make a sport out of it. Let them get their opening burst, heal up and watch them try and try and try ever so hard to get me to even half of my health lol. If I pop a DCD as soon as they use recklessness, that is already like 70% of the battle right there.

     

    My favorite thing to do on a concealment op is let them (that's right let them) get their opening burst on me, then move out of range (usually a flash bang will do it), pop some kolto probes and just start strafing and using auto attack on them. "almost almost almost in range, just a bit more", pop sneak "awwwww too bad". lol.

     

    Congrats on toying with bads?

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    But while this spec is "playable" it is severely lacking, and doesn't excel at anything currently. There is absolutely nothing this class can do, that another class can't do a lot better than it. As it is, it is a burden on the team.

     

    I disagree with this, I'd rather have a deception sin trying to take a node in regs, or pressuring a healer than anyone else. AP pt/vengeance being a close second for pressuring a healer, due to the fact they cant switch target as efficiently if its needed. In yolos/regs anyway. That said, I'm talking about a good deception sin, not one of the average players.

  9. Point being (at least my point, can't speak for anyone else) is not that it's "not" usable or anything like that. It's the fact that in the current state it takes a lot more work to pull out the same results as it would on my concealment operative, a comparison I make due to the fact that both specs are frontloaded stealth burst specs and share similar roles. When it takes more effort to get the same results as another spec, and said other spec is generally considered to be very well balanced, that means that the spec requiring more effort is underperforming. The fact that AP can hit 15k energy bursts and marksman can hit 16k ambushes versus fully geared targets while my maul struggles to even break 10k against other sins who have the lightest armor is just another log added to the fire.

     

    Then we seem to be disagreeing over nothing, because I agree, deception takes more effort to play to as high a standard a classes like PT which just require a face being smashed across a keyboard. The people I think are wrong, are the ones saying deception is horrible totally unplayable.

  10. And what exactly is the right way to play it? Can you post a video? I've seen lots of people play this spec and it is lacking for all of them compared to other specs. A one time 8k+ and a 7k+ is not great burst not matter how much you want to believe it is. And a one time auto-crit maul that can only occur after wasting a GCD for a filler melee attack is nothing to smile at either. If this is what you believe is great burst, you probably never played concealment and you definitely never played as AP or marksman.

     

    I've played AP, and played marksman/lethality a lot pre-2.0, as well as deception since 1.2, I know exactly what great burst is and how it works. Deception doesn't have great burst now, but it is still more than playable if done right. Yes, it's harder than it used to be. No, it's not as terrible as half the forums make it out to be. In 1v1s, its a better option than hatred in most situations, yeah theres great players who are an exception, but most of the time those players would give me just as much trouble if they were playing deception as well.

     

    I'm not in any way saying its a better spec than hatred, or that its more viable. What I'm saying is its just as viable, in the right situations. The players that can beat me as hatred vs my deception, are the same ones that would beat me 1v1 as deception vs deception. Thats down to the players not the spec.

     

    Posting a video is too much effort for now, but I might do after I've finished gearing although I don't see the point, I have a bunch of screenshots of myself outplaying hatred sins if they're much use to you? but I doubt it.

  11. Frankly, I disagree in that it's supposed to be an interrupt. But the funny part is that it's on a shorter cooldown than our ACTUAL interrupt. What a *********** joke, Bioware.

     

    As a mez, its lacking. Dots see to that. As an interrupt it works fine, very similar in mechanics to spike out of stealth in that it doesn't last, but stops whatever they're doing.

     

    You can't complain that deception doesn't work, then insist on playing it the way it worked before 3.0, thats just stupid. If you spend the time trying to make deception work now, and try playing it differently, then your opinion would hold a lot more weight than complaining about the fact that it doesn't play like it used to.

     

     

    Also exi, you can post "lol" as much as you like, it doesn't change the fact that some people playing deception are doing fairly well with it. Could they do better with hatred? probably, but maybe they don't feel like numbers = winning, and want to play a build that they prefer. Its still viable in a lot of situations, just a shame that group 4v4 isn't one of them. That said, not everyone plays it, and normals/yolo realistically have a much much larger playerbase than group does.

  12. Sounds like a personal problem.

     

    This. I can think of at least 4/5 of us that are doing well regularly on my server(topping boards 80%+ of the time) with deception/infil still. It doesn't exactly shine in tank/heal matches, but its still more than capable of doing nasty damage if played right. What exactly is your problem? being kited too much? or are you stuck on them but not hitting the numbers of others?

     

    In normals/yolo that is, group is a different matter.

  13. Kun? Are you from the same bunch of scrubs that run their mouth and post videos yet always back down when I want to duel any of your sins? I'm still waiting for your braxus or whatever he was called to get back to me when his gear is sorted.

     

    Or for the other guys who wanted to go 2v2 with me and Dariann, its been about a year now, I took it you realised how terrible you cretins were and stopped trying?

  14. For Deception, it's definitely 2 targets, but it might be 3 for Hatred, I would have to do the math like I said I've wanted to for a while now and stop being lazy :rolleyes:

     

    As deception you should be focused on hurting one person in particular, not trying to AoE. The spec has few enough strengths, so focus on the ones it has, don't try to do something with it that the spec is bad at.

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