Well the entire point of this thread for me was to just get this discussion going, people have been fairly quiet on things like this and it's all about "x class is just better than y class because I said so," I just wanted to get some information gathering going and started the discussion with my views at level 20 expecting people to disagree with it and give reasons why, so thank you for providing the thread with your views. The mobility issue I was thinking more of broadly as in I think all melee need some more mobility, guardian clearly being the one that doesn't need it as much as others. The talents I also pretty much expected, Guardian seems to have much better talents than other classes but I can't quite structure why I think that yet. What is a problem you see with the class that you'd like improved even if only slightly though?

I stated I was level 21 and these were merely observations from strictly numbers without doing any actual math which is again why these were questions to see what everyone thinks about this, not trying to pass anything off as fact except for the Master Strike bug and the interrupt numbers. The interrupt thing as I mentioned, ours has only a 4 meter range while everyone else has a 10 meter range, ours is a 8 second cd and they have a 12 second cd, we have no talents for ours but most (I think?) have a talent to make theirs 10 second so I think we should have a talent to make ours cost no focus. (Just as a quality of life change, I don't like saving 1 focus to interrupt at clutch moments) Every class that has a version of pommel strike can't use it on players because Bioware decided it did too much damage in PvP. What in the gear makes Guardian good at 50 if I might ask? if it's expertise, as soon as everyone gets the same expertise as you it'll be right back where you started, if it's another stat that simply means Guardians scale better than other classes and gradually become far better than other classes because of the scaling. Either way it's not something you want for your class unless it's somehow a perfect medium which normally it isn't. And in the Spoiler below is my respond to mobility assuming you care enough to read it.

So I feel like I should ask some questions about the issues I perceive the class to have to see if others can agree with it before I take it as fact. I am only level 21 on my knight and it is obvious the class is very talent dependant but these are the issues I see and would like comments on them and anything else about the class that you might find true or not true about it. Edit: Check 2nd page for current discussion Mobility? - I feel the Knight and Warrior class lacks in the mobility department with not much to make up for it, few ranged abilities and only 2 gap closers if talents with the 2nd one requiring focus/rage. Focus Starved? - To me it seems the Knight and Warrior class has a lot of build up to be able to put out their damage, while other classes start big and end small, a Knight starts small and ends big, the problem with this is that PvP is all about burst, there is no place for starting small and ending big in PvP in my opinion. Interrupt? - The Knight and Warrior class has an 8 second cool down interrupt with a 4m range that costs 1 focus/rage. This wouldn't be an issue if (as far as I'm aware) no other class has an interrupt that costs any of their resources to use. The only advantage a Knight has here is the 4 second CD difference (Only 2 second difference if other classes talent their interrupt) between their interrupt and other classes. Zealous Leap? - This spell gets it's own note outside of Mobility because I feel it just hurts the class so much for their only other form of gap closer to cost 3 focus, coupled with the focus starvation I feel it just adds up to not being able to deal with the mobility issues. Master Strike? - This one is just that, atleast 50% of the time when I try to use it the animation starts and the cast bar starts but the cast bar disappears, it does no damage, I can't move or use any other spell until the animations are over. Those are the main issues I can think of right now and again, I'm only level 21 so I'm not trying to pass these off as fact I'm just checking if anyone else feels the same way and if not how they deal with said problems.