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i truly applaud your integrity. You could've just as easily ignored those who raised concerns and they may have stayed anyway, although I already qualified for the initial promotion it is very comforting to see such an adjustment for those others.
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Im doing a drinking game. Everytime I see someone type "slap in the face" I take a shot. Im getting drunk quick
Up the game! Everytime you read someone type $15 take a drink.
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Actually, you'd be wise to check your facts before making such statements. The original statement was different and didn't include "one of".
You can keep lying to yourself to justify whatever reasons you have for feeling how you do, that's your choice. But there's a lot of folks who saw and know what was actually said before they edited it (which they've done at least twice) in an attempt to tone it down. Pretending that it wasn't said, doesn't mean that it wasn't said.
I actually copied and pasted what was said, and still says on the website, and provided a link, haven't heard from him since, logic and facts truly are kryptonite to trolls.
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Can level to 50 but can't count?
December 20th - January 20th: 1 month
December 20th - February 20th: 2 months
December 20th - March 20th: 3 months
December 20th - April 20th: 4 months
Seeing as today is April 13th (or 14th depending on where you live) the game has only been live for over 3 months. You are saying that you had a level 50 player before the game went live??? Give this man his free 30 days!!! /sarcasm
Before you bash a particular playerbase or play-style, know what you're talking about first.
Ah but do you need to know how to count if the system does the counting for you?
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See, now you're lying about it too. That's what the actual email says:
It doesn't say that people who don't have a level 50 are less valued or less loyal, it just says that they don't have a level 50.
So like the most of people in this topic you're lying to justify the fact that you're crying about $15 dollars.
Actually I'm not lying, so if you need to have it spoon fed to you here you go:
As a thanks for being one of our most valued players, all active subscriber accounts with a Level 50 character as of April 12, 2012, 12:00 PM CDT, 5:00 PM GMT, will receive 30 days of game time** at no charge in appreciation for your support and loyalty.
Added some colour to help you out.
Need the link too? http://www.swtor.com/legacypromotion?sourceid=eag3621
And unlike some of the others who don't have a 50, I have 2 50s, but I still have the capacity to appreciate where some of my fellow star wars fans are coming from. Think you can handle processing all that?
So before you keep spewing your baseless insults behind the protection of anonymity, perhaps you should review all the facts available to you.
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See, now you're lying about it too. That's what the actual email says:
It doesn't say that people who don't have a level 50 are less valued or less loyal, it just says that they don't have a level 50.
So like the most of people in this topic you're lying to justify the fact that you're crying about $15 dollars.
Actually I'm not lying, so if you need to have it spoon fed to you here you go:
As a thanks for being one of our most valued players, all active subscriber accounts with a Level 50 character as of April 12, 2012, 12:00 PM CDT, 5:00 PM GMT, will receive 30 days of game time** at no charge in appreciation for your support and loyalty.
Need the link too? http://www.swtor.com/legacypromotion?sourceid=eag3621
And unlike some of the others who don't have a 50, I have 2 50s, but I still have the capacity to appreciate where some of my fellow star wars fans are coming from. Think you can handle processing all that?
So before you keep spewing your baseless insults behind the protection of anonymity, perhaps you should review all the facts available to you.
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Dude. You're still not getting it.
Nobody is penalised, if it was up to me nobody would get anything at all, but BW decided that level 50s should get 30 days free.
If you don't have a level 50, you don't qualify. End of story.
And the funny thing is in your summary you fail to see the fundamental flaw with what you've just typed.
Just look at it this way, just a very simple question, do you see a difference between the following statements?
"If you don't have a level 50, you don't qualify."
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"In order to thank our most loyal and active customers we would like to offer anyone with a level 50 character a free 30 days".
If you do not see the difference in those two statements you will never understand where the people who are complaining are coming from.
If you can see the difference, then you should know it's not about $15, then hopefully you can see the underlying complaint that's being lobbied here.
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Dude. You're still not getting it.
Nobody is penalised, if it was up to me nobody would get anything at all, but BW decided that level 50s should get 30 days free.
If you don't have a level 50, you don't qualify. End of story.
And the funny thing is in your summary you fail to see the fundamental flaw with what you've just typed.
Just look at it this way, just a very simple question, do you see a difference between the following statements?
"If you don't have a level 50, you don't qualify."
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"In order to thank our most loyal and active customers we would like to offer anyone with a level 50 character a free 30 days".
If you do not see the difference in those two statements you will never understand where the people who are complaining are coming from.
If you can see the difference, then you should know it's not about $15.
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Lying to yourself is not healthy. It causes serious emotional and psychological issues later.
Just be honest and man up to the fact that it is about $15 dollars. You will feel better I assure you.
Must be nice to be that ignorant that you can't grasp the concept of principles
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Hey Bioware, hint hint, if you don't want to give 30 free days to all those players with no 50s but a ton of alts, give em a fully rested exp state.
Blizzard did that a lot during the vanilla days and I loved it lol.
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Stephen Reid @Rockjaw
Thread updated: all #SWTOR players will get one day of game time as compensation for today's downtime.
43m Pasqua Hawthorne Pasqua Hawthorne @PoisonFox
@Rockjaw Even us worthless idiots who've had an active subscription since the very first alottment of early access but are not valuable?
Stephen Reid Stephen Reid @Rockjaw
@PoisonFox We've had discussions on that today. Give us a little time, we'll share.
Well that can pretty much end this thread. I think majority will be happy so long as they acknowledge how their message can be perceived and address it. I think a lot of companies take apologies and acknowledgement of inconvenience for granted.
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Just a comment on business model which do you think a game developer wants to stick around longer.
#1 A paying customer who has finishes all game content moments after launch and then starts screaming for more. And when they don't get it they threaten to quit.
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#2 A paying customer who doesn't complete game content and is satisfied exploring the existing content that's already been developed.
Well from a business perspective I can tell you which keeps the company more in the black and which requires less resources to support. That'd be number 2 for those that can't figure it out.
And that further adds to the confusion of why BW/EA chose to upset the 2nd group with this promo.
Comparing another successful business, do you think WoW even blinked when all those top end guilds left the game because the end-game content was so ridiculously easy, and no new content was coming in the foreseeable future? No, and why was that? Cause they still had 12million + subscribers happy and willing to continue to pay for the stuff that's already there!
And unlike WoW this game at least offers different storylines and perspectives when you play through 1 - 49. With WoW it doesn't matter what class/race you play, your lvl 1-85 experience will be largely identical.
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What I see is that a lot of Players and former Players getting free stuff; some cute little thing that looks like it may make me sneeze, free 7 days for some past Players, free 3 days for a bad patch, free 30 days for a 50th, free day for todays delays, ,etc.
And I also see a lot of people whining, complaining, and QQ because Mom did not like them best. Sorry, but my sympathies lie elsewhere.
And I don't think anyone complaining is looking for your sympathy. And since you're not really impacted either way none of it really matters to you. However if you were in charge of a business relying on the paying customer your opinion may change.
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I don't have an issue with it only being given to level 50s. And I agree there is no way to reliably judge loyalty. But that is, in essence, what my complaint is.
I fully support free time being given to 50s. I do not support them being given the time because they are described as "our most loyal players".
Semantics, perhaps.. but there ya go.
That's exactly what this whole thing is about, the perception that you are only valued/loyal if you're level 50, all other paying customers are xxxx (insert whatever negative comment you perceive).
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No because this is an mmo and content continues on for the life of the game so no your singleplayer pre 50 experience is not as important to the life of the game. Endgame is where its at and future expansions begin at max level....first mmo?
If what you're saying is true then why does WoW (the standard of MMO for the better part of the last decade) not start their characters at level 85? I mean that's all that matters right? Just end-game content? No need to go through the game again since you've done it once already.
while you're at it, gear up all newly created characters so that everyone is ready for HMs so that we can get the most feedback and develop the next operation.
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So by your logic, two people spend the same amount of time playing this game. One spends time to max out a character and progressively work on alts so they get to see all the elements and provide feedback to everything from start to end game content. the other person just does alts does not get to endgame stuff because they want to level all thier toons equally. They don't have as much feedback to provide about the end tier content because they have not experienced it, yet they should get the same reward as the person who has gone the extra mile to provide feedback about things the other person has no clue about? That's pretty much the argument you are describing here. As a person who has been in management. I wholly disagree with you.
You know for someone who's been in management I'm actually quite surprised you're ignoring the whole perception aspect of this.
As a manager surely you've learned the whole "perception is reality" yea? And "when you assume you're making an *** of u and me"?
I'm not dismissing your opinion, but how can you not see the number of assumptions that you're making with your examples?
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If the store wants to give a coupon to one valued customer over another does not mean they do not value the other. That customer may benefit in some way at a later date, or may have received something earlier from when the store first opened.
One should not measure self worth based on what others receive; unhealthy and unwise.
True statement, but how many people do it regardless? lol
Consumers are not patient (except when it comes to Apple, don't get me started), if you divide your customer base or give off the perception that you value one more than the other (key word being perception), chances are you will experience a decline in your numbers with one of those groups.
Look past the promo and angry non-50s and you'll see a PR move that could've easily been avoided and I'm very surprised BW/EA didn't take it.
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It actually is not debatable, he is correct your 6 lvl 45s can not give input on hardmodes.ops,level 50 pvp..etc etc. Like he said you can not give input on lvl 50 stuff if you arent level 50. so yes they are more valuable than your pre 50s.
And again you're assuming that that lvl 50 is doing all those things. I know plenty of 50s who do nothing but PVP, they don't do HM FPs, Operations, hell they don't even finish their class storyline.
One of the main criticisms of this game is the lack of end-game (level 50) content, so if level 50 content is all you're focusing on what really are you contributing if there's nothing there?
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I'm not saying that these people are less worthy. What I am saying is, that from an objective standpoint. Experience of all elements of the game is more beneficial to have than more detailed repeated experience with only some parts of the game. And to me, I think that is the viewpoint that BW took. To me, it makes sense.
Ok so are you saying that only a lvl 50 has experience of ALL elements of the game? I have a friend who does nothing but PVP but hey he's level 50, does he have experience of ALL elements of the game? He hasn't even finished his own class storyline.
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Anyone remember their promotion of early game access? The sooner you pre-order and redeem your code, the earlier your access. That's exactly the model they should've taken here, whenever anyone complained about it, the responses were consistent and logical. If someone is willing to commit to a product before you are, suffice to say that person would reap the benefits of that commitment before you.
Why didn't they take that approach again? It confuses me. The precedent was set before the game was launched, do this by X date and get Y didn't matter if you bought the standard, deluxe or collectors edition, it's the same across the board for early access.
The game isn't a race, it's not a mad dash to 50, but now they've kind of set the precedent for it. When the level cap goes up what's the mentality? Oh damn better hit lvl 60 before the next promo. Doesn't seem right.
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That is eactly right. It is YOUR opinion not theirs. A person at 50 can provide far more feedback about things people who have not gotten to 50 can. To me it is a very simple thing. What information is more valuable people who don't see all that is available? Or the people who do?
Well that's debatable. I would say one person with 1 level 50 doesn't offer nearly as much feedback as someone with let's say 6 level 45s.
And in such a situation which would you say is more active? The one with 1 level 50 no alts or the one with 6 levels 45s?
Don't get me wrong I'm not mad/upset/bothered about Bioware's decision here, but i do understand why some would be. It's the principle and perception of what they said and how they said it. Come on people it should be human nature to be a little bit apathetic to our fellow man/woman no?
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So if I hit level 50 within the first month of launch, didn't find anything appealing to do afterwards, dabbled with a few alts for a while, then stopped playing regularly (but continued to pay cause i want to play the odd hour here and there), I'm more active and valued than the next guy/girl who plays 10x the amount I do but never got a character to 50?
That's what I think a lot of people are complaining about. It's like Bioware overlooked the fact that they made an excellent story driven game and it is very very easy to play this game pretty slow and take your time enjoying the many different aspects of it (I know I did), but i did that after i sped my way to 50 first which I actually kind of regret because i didn't really catch all the cool references to the lore the first time through.
To avoid negativity on their brand (which is the goal of many a company), all this is easily avoidable by simply offering the same promo to all their paying customers from x date.
While it may seem like a small thing in itself, it's just compounded by all the other issues currently surrounding the game. It's a snowball effect that's all.
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So you are enraged because Bioware gave a compliment to one group of customers, but that compliment didn't cover you, and so you just assumed that meant they are insulting you instead.
If your little sister was going to prom, and someone mentioned how beautiful she looked all dressed up, would you be mad that somehow they were implying you were ugly? I would hope not, because the comment was meant for her, regarding a specific circumstance. It's not about you.
Actually that's an incomplete example of what the OP is saying. Imagine now that you were also dressed up and also going to the same prom and that someone completely ignored how you dressed and the effort you took to making yourself look good; but maybe not as good. Would you be a little offended or hurt or feeling devalued? I would venture to say yes.
And that's really what the OP is saying, it's not (using your example) the little sister's fault for looking better, it's that someone's fault for not being considerate enough to acknowledge your efforts at the same time.
Legacy Promotion now expanded
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Nah you won't get that, more like the truly cynical people who'll say: "Self serving jerks, should've got it right the first time! Probably did it this way on purpose so you can get everyone angry and then flip the switch to look like a company that actually cares, in an attempt to attract even more people back to your villainous game".
Oooo sneaky indeed.